A letter writing campaign is only part of what the Rocket community did to
battle the BAFTE regulating our rocket motors. The Rocket community has
organizations like the AMA. Those folks coordinated the letter writing
campaign so all members would send the letters in at about the same time.
Speaking with Dave Mathewson, he believes AOPA is the right model. He's
an active full scale pilot and member of AOPA so he understands their
impact on general aviation.
-Ben
Martin Usher wrote:
Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea
I think the AOPA might be a better model.
Sorry I said NRA, but they were the first group I thought of - they are
visible and fight hard against legislations.
Anyway
What is the plan? Letter writing campaigns? AMA infomercials? Bumper
stickers? NPR? Public hangings?
I propose that the next time we here about proposed
phony semiautomatic assault rifle issue ! H! You do belong
to a militia, right? I guess I better get an automatic. What I
really want are nukes. (I have the desire.) OK, this doesn't belong
here. Regis
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Studying the NRA as a
Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea
I think the AOPA might be a better model. They appear to have an effective
legislative program in place to protect general aviation from the excesses
of government. Their interests overlap our interests so maybe the AMA should
try to work
Just a polite request to keep this sort of political rant off the
exchange. There's plenty of venues for this stuff. Soaring should be
a safe haven from politics.
Enough
Barry Andersen
Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea
And why not? I love to hear the NRA bashers rant
While I agree with Barry's premise that partisan politics (while at the same time
sheepishly admitting to contributing to it in the past) are best discussed elsewhere,
it would be foolish of us to ignore the effect of lobbying efforts in our represented
republic.
All three of the AMA
To: Barry Andersen; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
While I agree with Barry's premise that partisan politics (while at the same time
sheepishly admitting to contributing to it in the past) are best discussed elsewhere,
it would
Soaring should be a safe haven from politics.
We can't ignore politics because unfortunately it won't ignore us. I'd
wholehartedly agree that bringing in the NRA with all the baggage that
entails isn't at all constructive but at the other extreme just pretending
that government is going to look
21, 2004 9:20 AM
To: RCSE
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models-keep politics off the exchange
Soaring should be a safe haven from politics.
We can't ignore politics because unfortunately it won't ignore us. I'd
wholehartedly agree that bringing in the NRA with all the baggage
It comes down to one thing.
If you Ignore government and not pay attention to what they do or say, you lose.
One day you go to your favorite field to fly and there is someone with a uniform
There to stop you you scratch your head and say what happened.
Well if you paid attention and stood your
--- Ken Leamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It comes down to one thing.
If you Ignore government and not pay attention to what they do or say, you
lose.
exactly. And be it guns or R/C Sailplanes, it will be gone. Frankly I don't
own a gun... never have. But understand COMPLETELY the gun owner's
We need to fight every restriction, whether we agree with the
restriction or not. They need to know that anytime they push against a
model flyer we will all push back. Why do you think that it is legal to buy
assault rifles again? Because NRA does not let any restriction go
unprotested.
7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
We need to fight every restriction, whether we agree with the
restriction or not. They need to know that anytime they push against a
model flyer we will all push back. Why do you think that it is legal to
buy assault rifles again
OK - so who are YOU voting for as AMA president?
More of the same - no action - head in the sand?
Think about that.
Mark
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From: Thomas Koszuta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:32 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
We need to fight every restriction, whether we agree with the
restriction or not. They need to know
Studying the NRA as a political model is not a bad idea
And why not? I love to hear the NRA bashers rant on about the effect we have
on the government, our government. I and thousands like me ARE the NRA. Just
private citizens who happen to believe that freedom IS protected by the private
but the commander of Andrews AFB came to the conclusion that it was better
to have concerned people (eyes and ears) around then not. (Especially now when
are forces have been stretched so thin Andrews AFB has replaced the Air
Police at the gates with civilian contract personnel). Many of the
Hi Keith, Are you back east yet? Everything you say is true but to
borrow a prase from the NRA, if you ban model planes, only the
terrorists will have r/c models. One of the clubs I belong to flies
on the grounds of the Air Force Communications facility (antenna farm
outside Washington, D.C.)
If I were interested in taking someone out via RC, I'd use one of the
new jets with a true turbine, and an on-board video camera setup. At
200+ mph, I think it would be more effective. Not that I'd ever fly one
- I prefer aerobatics and soaring to turning big looops and circles,
which is just
(BTW -- You might find a visit to Israel interesting -- its full of people
trying to live ordinary, everyday, lives in a society that's got what could be
the worst-case in day to day terror threats. The locals don't seem that
paranoid.)
Probably due in no small measure to a government that
Martin,
Didn't mean to sound too serious in my previous reply, but it's just that I
know what can be done with something like a model airplane, and I was really
only responding to people's complaints about their model flying activities being
curtailed temporarily when a security-sensitive
Really neat stuff here! Pardon the dumb question, but what kind of camera
is used here?
Thanks, and thanks for the clip.
RVC
At 10:31 PM 10/16/2004 -0700, you wrote:
If you guys want to see a hard launch w/ camera on board go the this web
site, and hold on
You guys just don't get it. Since none of you seem to realize what someone
who has a mind to do can accomplish using an R/C model, and especially an
electric glider, I'll tell you.
You can easily use an electric glider as an accurate targeting
anti-personnel weapon, and it'd be very effective
of time before we are regulated.
JD
Endless Mountain Models
http://www.scalesoaring.com
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 9:23 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
You
Give me a break Keith.
Maby if you were Joe (you know who )and
could land or crashwithin 3 feet of thetarget while standing
way,wayfar away flying the plane.. I think not!
No way..
Just my two cents.
Al
Albert E. Wedworth ( AL ) ERA
Capshaw RealestateREALTOR- ASSOCIATECell 530-228-9445Fax
You guys just don't get it. Since none of you seem to realize what
someone
who has a mind to do can accomplish using an R/C model, and especially an
electric glider, I'll tell you. (Keith)
Thanks.
You can easily use an electric glider as an accurate targeting
anti-personnel weapon
With a
I was gona stay away from this topic and i think ill still only touch it and
run!!!, for too many reasons.
With a payload capacity of less than a pound its not going to be that
effective. There's also not that much room in the fuse for that payload,
especially if you want to keep the CG within
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Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] Security issues and R/C models
I was gona stay away from this topic and i think ill still only touch it
and
run!!!, for too many reasons.
With a payload capacity of less than a pound its not going to be that
effective. There's
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