Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-13 Thread Dennis Jørgensen
On 2011-04-12 20:34, Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > When reading posts about setting up a Soekris using a compact flash, I > see a lot of people saying that a compact flash cannot withstand a lot > of writing before failing. > > 1.) Is that true? How much is "a lot" of writing? (My 4501 is for my >

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-13 Thread Jonathan Groll
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:55:55 +0100, Philip wrote: > I am sure you are right. I was just thinking that if the USB memory > stick fails you can buy a new one for £1 and you wouldn't need to > reinstall the whole OS. > Was thinking the same thing, except on my 4801 it's USB1 so very slow write sp

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4da59d5b.2040...@christiantena.net>, Philip writes: >I am sure you are right. I was just thinking that if the USB memory >stick fails you can buy a new one for £1 and you wouldn't need to >reinstall the whole OS. Ohh, absolutely. But that sort of hinges on your logfiles not being im

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-13 Thread Philip
I am sure you are right. I was just thinking that if the USB memory stick fails you can buy a new one for £1 and you wouldn't need to reinstall the whole OS. regards, Philip Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <4da598a2.5080...@christiantena.net>, Philip writes: > > >> Maybe logs could be w

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-13 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4da598a2.5080...@christiantena.net>, Philip writes: >Maybe logs could be written to a USB memory stick? Same issues apply and are often much worse on USB sticks. CF cards are targeted mainly at professional photographers these days, USB sticks are for consumers. -- Poul-Henning Kam

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-13 Thread Philip
Maybe logs could be written to a USB memory stick? regards, Philip Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > In message <4da4d3c2.6060...@bogus.com>, Joel Jaeggli writes: > > The answer is "it depends on so many factors that you do not and > often cannot know, that you might as well give up predicting it at all

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <4da4d3c2.6060...@bogus.com>, Joel Jaeggli writes: The answer is "it depends on so many factors that you do not and often cannot know, that you might as well give up predicting it at all." Unless you can get statistics out of the flash-adaptation layer in the card, there is no way to p

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Joel Jaeggli
l.asp?ModNo=174&SpNo=-99&LangNo=0 http://www.pqi.com.tw/product2.asp?oid=21&cate1=21&proid=384 > -Mike > > - Reply message - > From: "Ed Flecko" > Date: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 14:34 > Subject: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash? > T

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Esa Karkkainen
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:51:46AM -0700, Bryan Irvine wrote: > On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Ed Flecko wrote: > I picked up a used 4801 a while ago, loaded a full install of openbsd > on it to test just exactly that. I didn't care if it fried the card > in a month or 2, or 6. It's been run

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Matthew Kaufman
On 4/12/2011 11:52 AM, Javier Reyna Padilla wrote: > You use ram disks for the partitions with write activities, for > example /etc and /var if you want to use FBSD you can use NanoBSD Or reduce most of the write activity (logs) to syslog to a remote host that does have a disk, and live with th

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread John Stalker
> Hi folks, > When reading posts about setting up a Soekris using a compact flash, I > see a lot of people saying that a compact flash cannot withstand a lot > of writing before failing. > > 1.) Is that true? How much is "a lot" of writing? (My 4501 is for my > tiny, home network) Theoretically,

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Stanislav Meduna
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Ed Flecko wrote: > When reading posts about setting up a Soekris using a compact flash, I > see a lot of people saying that a compact flash cannot withstand a lot > of writing before failing. > > 1.) Is that true? How much is "a lot" of writing? (My 4501 is for m

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Steve Clark
On 04/12/2011 02:52 PM, Javier Reyna Padilla wrote: You use ram disks for the partitions with write activities, for example /etc and /var if you want to use FBSD you can use NanoBSD 2011/4/12 Nick Knight I think it is in the order of 100,000 writes, reads are not an issue. So with linux atime

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Steve Clark
On 04/12/2011 02:51 PM, Bryan Irvine wrote: On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Ed Flecko wrote: Hi folks, When reading posts about setting up a Soekris using a compact flash, I see a lot of people saying that a compact flash cannot withstand a lot of writing before failing. 1.) Is that true? Ho

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Michael Sierchio
For FreeBSD, I typically use a memory filesystem for /var, and make /tmp a symbolic link to /var/tmp. DEVFS takes care of /dev. For the rest, I used to simply mount it read-only, but that cause the occasional problem when you want to save configs, etc. so instead of going through the gyrations of

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:51:46AM -0700, Bryan Irvine wrote: > loaded a full install of openbsd >on it to test just exactly that. I didn't care if it fried the card >in a month or 2, or 6. It's been running now for over a year with no >problems at all. I've used it exactly the same way I would

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Javier Reyna Padilla
You use ram disks for the partitions with write activities, for example /etc and /var   if you want to use FBSD you can use NanoBSD 2011/4/12 Nick Knight > > I think it is in the order of 100,000 writes, reads are not an issue. > So with linux atime, you can very quickly get there. > > I have a l

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Bryan Irvine
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Ed Flecko wrote: > Hi folks, > When reading posts about setting up a Soekris using a compact flash, I > see a lot of people saying that a compact flash cannot withstand a lot > of writing before failing. > > 1.) Is that true? How much is "a lot" of writing? (My 45

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Nick Knight
I think it is in the order of 100,000 writes, reads are not an issue. So with linux atime, you can very quickly get there. I have a linux distro based on bering, which creates a ram disk and loads all os into that on boot. config is then written out to flash via a command. Log files are then crea

Re: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread M . Moore
I could be wrong, but I thought the solid state devices were good for a million writes. -Mike - Reply message - From: "Ed Flecko" Date: Tue, Apr 12, 2011 14:34 Subject: [Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash? To: Hi folks, When reading posts about setting up a Soekr

[Soekris] Life expectancy of a compact flash?

2011-04-12 Thread Ed Flecko
Hi folks, When reading posts about setting up a Soekris using a compact flash, I see a lot of people saying that a compact flash cannot withstand a lot of writing before failing. 1.) Is that true? How much is "a lot" of writing? (My 4501 is for my tiny, home network) 2.) How do you set up an OS (