Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Wojciech Dec
Hi Ted, my comment refers specifically to the characterization of MAP in the introduction of the lw46 draft. I keep on restating this, because this characterization of MAP is not correct - the current text states ..If this type of meshed interconnectivity is required,

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Wojciech Dec
On 3 March 2014 17:57, Lee, Yiu yiu_...@cable.comcast.com wrote: How MAP-E aggregates CPE for N CEs in hub-and-spoke? When implementing MAP in hub-and-spoke, cpe/ce v4 information is in the br. Each ce will have an entry in the br. This is the same number of states lw4o6 will maintain. Am I

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ted Lemon
If, as you say, Ian is happy to make the change that you've proposed, then I have no problem with that. However, let's not needlessly delay both of these drafts arguing about marketing boilerplate. The text as written is not a sufficiently glowing recommendation of MAP, but it doesn't need

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ole Troan
If, as you say, Ian is happy to make the change that you've proposed, then I have no problem with that. However, let's not needlessly delay both of these drafts arguing about marketing boilerplate. The text as written is not a sufficiently glowing recommendation of MAP, but it doesn't

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ian Farrer
This could certainly save a spending the rest of the week micro-editing wording, so I’d be happy with it. An extremely tentative further suggestion: Should there be a draft which discusses the available softwire solutions more throughly (we would tackle this only after we’ve got the WGCLs

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Wojciech Dec
Sorry, but I'll insist for a number of reasons: 1. It is technically valid 2. The solutions are clearly closely related. Not stating that in any way would be ridiculous. 3. It presents (introduces) the context of the draft, and as I said MAP-E should do likewise. It is not a detailed pro/con. 4.

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mar 4, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Ole Troan otr...@employees.org wrote: I have had success in the past by removing contentious text. I think that could work here, just remove this paragraph: WFM, but the authors have to agree. :) ___ Softwires mailing

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mar 4, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Ian Farrer ianfar...@gmx.com wrote: Should there be a draft which discusses the available softwire solutions more throughly (we would tackle this only after we’ve got the WGCLs completed, so there’s something to actually compare)? A basket of vipers, I’m sure,

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Wojciech Dec wdec.i...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, but I'll insist for a number of reasons: Woj, can we please not speak in terms of insisting? You are a working group participant. If you have a technical issue _which would prevent the standard from functioning_

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Wojciech Dec
I was speaking as a WG participant, and I was referring to my proposal made in that capacity. Furthermore, there is nothing factually wrong with what I said, nor you appear to question that. The text that you oddly claim will take years to resolve, took 5 mins to agree with Ian (yesterday).

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Wojciech Dec
Yes, for the ICMP handling part, this works for me. Cheers On 3 March 2014 20:40, Ian Farrer ianfar...@gmx.com wrote: Hi Senthil, Good point. So, that would give us: For TCP and UDP traffic the NAPT44 implemented in the lwB4 SHOULD conform with the behaviour and best current practices

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ted Lemon
On Mar 4, 2014, at 10:26 AM, Wojciech Dec wdec.i...@gmail.com wrote: I was speaking as a WG participant, and I was referring to my proposal made in that capacity. Furthermore, there is nothing factually wrong with what I said, nor you appear to question that. The text that you oddly claim

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Ian, On 03/04/2014 04:54 AM, Ian Farrer wrote: This could certainly save a spending the rest of the week micro-editing wording, so I’d be happy with it. An extremely tentative further suggestion: Should there be a draft which discusses the available softwire solutions more throughly (we

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ole Troan
This could certainly save a spending the rest of the week micro-editing wording, so I’d be happy with it. An extremely tentative further suggestion: Should there be a draft which discusses the available softwire solutions more throughly (we would tackle this only after we’ve got the

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Ian Farrer
OK, it was merely a suggestion…. I’m mildly relieved I don’t have to write it. Ian On 4 Mar 2014, at 14:27, Ole Troan otr...@employees.org wrote: This could certainly save a spending the rest of the week micro-editing wording, so I’d be happy with it. An extremely tentative further

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-lw4over6-06.txt

2014-03-04 Thread Tom Taylor
On 04/03/2014 9:47 AM, Suresh Krishnan wrote: Hi Ian, On 03/04/2014 04:54 AM, Ian Farrer wrote: This could certainly save a spending the rest of the week micro-editing wording, so I’d be happy with it. An extremely tentative further suggestion: Should there be a draft which discusses the