Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-12 Thread W. Trevor King
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Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-12 Thread Marc Jones
Trevor, Maybe I have missed it in the thread, but what are the terms the "Verbatim" license would refer to? Is it intended to refer to a specific set of licensing terms or just a category of possible explicit or implicit licensing statements? For example the licensing terms for redistributing

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-12 Thread W. Trevor King
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 04:38:57PM +, Andrew Katz wrote: > My recollection is that Apache 2.0 is under Apache 2.0, also. All explicitly-licensed licenses are going to eventually end up in some sort of loop like this (although you could have an A → B → A… cycle, etc.). Doesn't it seem like

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-12 Thread Andrew Katz
ecommons.org/policies/#license From: "Matija Šuklje" <mat...@suklje.name<mailto:mat...@suklje.name>> To: spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org<mailto:spdx-legal@lists.spdx.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 8:03:01 AM Subject: Re: New license propos

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-12 Thread Matija Šuklje
Dne torek, 12. september 2017 ob 15:04:10 CEST je Richard Fontana napisal(a): > Not to detract from your general point but Creative Commons has, admirably, > placed CC0 under CC0. https://creativecommons.org/policies/#license Neat! Good to know and thanks for digging this up :) Also, re-reading

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-12 Thread Richard Fontana
12, 2017 8:03:01 AM Subject: Re: New license proposal: Verbatim Disclaimer: I haven’t read the full thread and for now don’t intend to, unless I get a compelling reason to. I apologise if this e-mail will repeat something already said. All I wanted to say about this is that if we go down that

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-12 Thread Matija Šuklje
Disclaimer: I haven’t read the full thread and for now don’t intend to, unless I get a compelling reason to. I apologise if this e-mail will repeat something already said. All I wanted to say about this is that if we go down that rabbit hole, we will evenutally end with the question what

RE: GPLv2 - Github example (was: Re: New license proposal: Verbatim)

2017-09-11 Thread Gisi, Mark
is achieved by the use of a LicenseRef. - Mark From: spdx-legal-boun...@lists.spdx.org [mailto:spdx-legal-boun...@lists.spdx.org] On Behalf Of J Lovejoy Sent: Friday, September 08, 2017 7:07 AM To: Marc Jones Cc: SPDX-legal Subject: GPLv2 - Github example (was: Re: New license proposal: Verbatim) Hi

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-08 Thread W. Trevor King
On Fri, Sep 08, 2017 at 09:28:02AM +, Marc Jones wrote: > It is not clear to me that it makes sense to say a code base is both > GPLv2 and verbatim, simply because the text of the license is > copyrighted and you do not have permission to modify the license > text. So let's replace “license”

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-08 Thread Brad Edmondson
Hi Marc, Great analysis, and I will echo Jilayne's call for you not to feel like you have to return to lurking. This is open-source, and to get to the best solution, we need everyone with thoughtful analyses and arguments to come forward. With respect to the copyright in the text of a license

RE: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-08 Thread Wheeler, David A
J Lovejoy: > I think this may be solving a problem we don’t have. While you are precise > here, I think the operative goal is to understand the license for the code... I agree. I think the point of SPDX is to enable people to understand the licenses of the software being used (or under

GPLv2 - Github example (was: Re: New license proposal: Verbatim)

2017-09-08 Thread J Lovejoy
Hi Marc, Thanks so much for your thoughtful response to the examples set out to help with the only-operator proposal. You are the first one to respond to this, and I hope that others will also chime in here. Example 4 is indeed what we have been struggling with and is a common example in

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-07 Thread W. Trevor King
On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 04:41:23PM -0400, Richard Fontana wrote: > Out of curiosity I searched a bit just now and found in the earliest > extant GCC release, apparently from 1988, the license (GNU CC General > Public License) has this slightly different meta-license: > > Copyright (C) 1987

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-07 Thread J Lovejoy
Hi Trevor, It took me a second, but now I see where you are going: In my example, the text file with the license text of GPL-2.0 _is_ exactly that - the text of the license (hence identifying it as such), however that is not necessarily the license for the text of the license itself. Hence,

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-07 Thread Richard Fontana
On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 01:28:07PM -0700, W. Trevor King wrote: > It's not clear to if the Verbatim license is long enough to be > copyrightably, but if it is I'd guess it's copyright 1989 by the FSF > and self-licensed under the Verbatim license as a subset of the GPL > 1.0 (unless someone can

Re: New license proposal: Verbatim

2017-09-07 Thread W. Trevor King
On Thu, Sep 07, 2017 at 12:21:43PM -0700, W. Trevor King wrote: > There are also other works under that license, e.g. [4], which use the > exact same language. > > Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this > license document, but changing it is not allowed. > … >