Re[2]: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-05 Thread Chris Drake
04, 2008 6:14 AM To: Trevor Johns Cc: 'OpenID specs list' Subject: Re: OpenID Email Discovery On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Trevor Johns wrote: On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: Fair or not, I am tired of hearing how un-secure DNS, when everything we do is based

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Trevor Johns
On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Trevor Johns wrote: 6. I can't see how this can be used securely. DNS is highly vulnerable to attack. Which is why the internet isn't working at all. Ever, Never! Hey, that's not fair! DNS is well designed

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Artur Bergman
On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Trevor Johns wrote: On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: Fair or not, I am tired of hearing how un-secure DNS, when everything we do is based on it, and it being the worlds largest working distributed database. There's a difference between

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Artur Bergman
On Jan 4, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Trevor Johns wrote: On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:45 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: On Jan 4, 2008, at 7:28 AM, Trevor Johns wrote: 6. I can't see how this can be used securely. DNS is highly vulnerable to attack. Which is why the internet isn't working at all. Ever,

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Trevor Johns
On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: Fair or not, I am tired of hearing how un-secure DNS, when everything we do is based on it, and it being the worlds largest working distributed database. There's a difference between working and secure. For example, email works great but

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Peter Davis
On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: NAPTR is an ietf proposed standard but there is no deployed base. well, there certainly are deployed bases where i sit, since we have DNS zones in operation with well over 40M entries... most of which are NAPTR RR's, and many, many

RE: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
AM To: Hallam-Baker, Phillip Cc: Eran Hammer-Lahav; OpenID specs list Subject: Re: OpenID Email Discovery On Jan 3, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote: NAPTR is an ietf proposed standard but there is no deployed base. well, there certainly are deployed bases where i sit, since we

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Trevor Johns
On Jan 4, 2008, at 3:14 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: You can always go out and use DNSSEC. That would certainly be a solution. However, isn't DNSSEC not yet widely deployed? Isn't this just a lookup of email address - openid/url that is then handled as a normal openid login? I'm not sure I

RE: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Gabe Wachob
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hallam-Baker, Phillip Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:03 PM To: Peter Davis Cc: OpenID specs list Subject: Re: OpenID Email Discovery NAPTR is an ietf proposed standard but there is no deployed base. SRV has been supported in windows since 2000 and bind since

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Artur Bergman
On Jan 4, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Trevor Johns wrote: You can always go out and use DNSSEC. That would certainly be a solution. However, isn't DNSSEC not yet widely deployed? bingo, the world hasn't seen the need for it Isn't this just a lookup of email address - openid/url that is then

RE: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
' Subject: Re: OpenID Email Discovery On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: Fair or not, I am tired of hearing how un-secure DNS, when everything we do is based on it, and it being the worlds largest working distributed database. There's a difference between working and secure

RE: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-04 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
: 'OpenID specs list' Subject: Re: OpenID Email Discovery On Jan 4, 2008, at 12:07 PM, Trevor Johns wrote: On Jan 4, 2008, at 1:59 AM, Artur Bergman wrote: Fair or not, I am tired of hearing how un-secure DNS, when everything we do is based on it, and it being the worlds largest working

OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-03 Thread Eran Hammer-Lahav
(The full story is posted at http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/01/addressing-open.html but this contains the technical parts of the post). This proposal adds Email Discovery allowing users to use their email address as an OpenID. ... We need to map between the email to the OpenID

RE: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-03 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
:01 PM To: 'OpenID specs list' Subject: OpenID Email Discovery (The full story is posted at http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/01/addressing-open.html but this contains the technical parts of the post). This proposal adds Email Discovery allowing users to use their email address

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-03 Thread Peter Davis
] on behalf of Eran Hammer-Lahav Sent: Thu 03/01/2008 4:01 PM To: 'OpenID specs list' Subject: OpenID Email Discovery (The full story is posted at http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/ 2008/01/addressing-open.html but this contains the technical parts of the post). This proposal adds Email

RE: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-03 Thread Drummond Reed
process that I'm missing? =Drummond _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hallam-Baker, Phillip Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:03 PM To: Peter Davis Cc: OpenID specs list Subject: Re: OpenID Email Discovery NAPTR is an ietf proposed standard

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-03 Thread Trevor Johns
On Jan 3, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Eran Hammer-Lahav wrote: (The full story is posted at http://www.hueniverse.com/hueniverse/2008/01/addressing-open.html but this contains the technical parts of the post). This proposal adds Email Discovery allowing users to use their email address as an

Re: OpenID Email Discovery

2008-01-03 Thread Trevor Johns
On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Trevor Johns wrote: Erin, While it sounds nice at first glance, there's are a number of problems I see with this: Oh, and one more I thought up right after I hit send: 7. If their email provider is willing to set up an OP they'd probably also be willing to