My position is that state actors bombing civilians is the main issue.
understood, but none of this will be resolved without factoring in sub and
super state actors
nation states are bound by international laws - judicial
sub and super state actors get to do what they want - extra-judicial
You're not drawing me into that well-trodden rabbit hole. My position is
that state actors bombing civilians is the main issue.
Don't worry, I'll be leaving the group. I've really heard enough.
On 08/03/2022 16:26, heath bunting wrote:
chris
what is your position on the west supported white
chris
what is your position on the west supported white helmets ?
(i ask as the syria dirty war is a prelude to the ukraine war)
do you think they are heroes, as portrayed in the oscar winning
documentary about them ?
or do you think they harvested organs from the people they 'rescued' for
Right. I think we've heard it all now. I'm not sure how we're supposed to read
this. Is this culture jammin? Best poetry? Or deranged nonsense? It's an
argument that dosen't even stand up to its own internal logic, if it can be
called that. It's also pretty offensive on many levels. It
Personally, I would prefer to start the conversation with the simple
question, what is required so that everybody can live in peace and
freedom? And rather than assume a trope like the "spheres of influence"
as a given, I would only want to discuss how this war can be stopped,
and how a
Dear Lanfranco,
I would like to come back briefly to your long argument, and make two
points.
Am 02.03.22 um 19:42 schrieb Lanfranco Aceti:
Like you, I very much like facts, but I think
you might be too confident in the 'innocence of NATO'
I didn't say, and I didn't mean to say that NATO
dan
Going against the propaganda machine, is simply not possible, its too
vast, too huge, too extended and it molds reality in every possible way.
Counterpropaganda even when supported by private parties and governments
has little or no effect. and to make it just worse, in case you get
Hello from Helsinki and many thanks for opening up this thread!
As many of my fellow citizens, I have grown up with constant fear of our
ominous and unpredictable neighbor, Russia. Being a small nation at the
direct geographical contact with the moody giant has shaped the
psychology of
Just a quick reminder to all that complain about NATO propaganda - NATO is
not a monolithic political entity. It is an alliance and thus, by
definition, it includes representatives of united but incongruous bodies.
To equate NATO with the United States and present it in a perfectly
symmetrical
Dear Carsten,
I wanted to say that I totally agree with you. I am shocked by the war
rhetoric and its poisonous influence. It makes it more difficult for me to
write since I am a slow and careful writer, particularly when posting
online in these threads and on these topics. The reason is that I
depends on how you define ‚disinformation‘
crimethInc has a clear history, easily to track
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrimethInc.)
thanks andreas for opening up the discussion here!
i’m personally shocked by the war rhetoric from all sides. i worked the past 25
years with artists from
Is this the same desinformation campaign from Social Networks??
Has someone researched on this subject there?
On 2 Mar 2022 10:39, "Nicolas Montgermont" wrote:
Hello everyone,
Maybe it is good to have the point of view of some political groups in
Ukraine and Russia.
Here is an article from
Hello everyone,
Maybe it is good to have the point of view of some political groups in
Ukraine and Russia.
Here is an article from some anti anti-authoritarian ukrainian groups
that is two weeks old:
Hi everyone,
I would like to share some thoughts that I have had since last week.
I apologize in advance for my English :)
This is a world war that didn’t start last week.
It has started many years ago.
It has started straight after the end of the ‘’cold war’’ that was not cold
at all.
It
*April 5, 2021*
https://www.cato.org/commentary/joe-bidens-ukraine-policy-repeat-george-w-bush-georgia
*April 21, 2021*
https://www.cato.org/commentary/time-cure-americas-clientitis-over-ukraine
Dear Andreas, and everyone else, I hope you are well... Nice to see that
you still can keep this
for a feminist & pacifist response, see WILPF's statement:
https://www.wilpf.org/call-to-action-no-more-wars-not-now-not-ever-again/
- it's a call for unity around the message of no more wars.
however that statement is dated 14th february so before the actual
invasion. more current is this
folks,
please, refrain from personal insults; it's one of the "red lines" that
this co-moderator and co-list-owner draws.
best regards,
-a
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> Le 25 févr. 2022 à 11:26, heath bunting a écrit :
>
> but i became uncomfortable when it was revealed that another source of income
> was organ harvesting of captured living serbian police and soldiers
Pity you didn't take advantage of that to get a brain with a little more
discernment.
Hello all,
Just to answer your sentence Mathias Fuchs: "The Capitalist West has
expanded zones of monetary interest and of military influence towards
the East since 1991. NATO countries are at the border of Russia."
You write like here, in the East, is some sort of desert or swamp where
Broeckmann ; spectre
Betreff: Re: [spectre] a terrible day
Dear Andreas,
thanks for your thoughtful reply to my quick email. You have a point there, of
course, and I would like to draw back the "not innocent" notion.
When you ask about the "feminist and pacifist response&quo
i don't understand discursive protocols anymore - so tell me to shut-up if
i am being out of order, but i feel artists must be able to attempt to
speak truth - at least to each other
NATO must intervene now to stop this bloody bath to help suffering Ukrainian
population.
i was involved in
Dear Andreas,
thanks for your thoughtful reply to my quick email. You have a point
there, of course, and I would like to draw back the "not innocent" notion.
When you ask about the "feminist and pacifist response", I can only
offer a kind of politics that seems to have gone out of fashion:
Nice to make a Thread about the subject.
Was it Covid the end of the world. Or is this situation now the end?
What a especial times we are facing. And it looks it happens from time to
time. So I am not sure till which point technology is helping societies
today.
Who is to blame?
Ukraine has given
fortunately, most interested parties in the ukraine conflict are using
their standard modus operandi, making studies of previous operations
instructive.
syria is an obvious example to guide us in narratives management,
trusted voices, innocence and outcomes.
eva bartlett and vanessa beeley
I completely agree with Andreas.
To support Russia and the tyrant Putin of the Ukrainian genocide is
equal to support Hitler or Stalin actions and massive murders.
Any doubt who is the real aggressor and criminal on this tragedy means
siding with the murderers of the innocent Ukrainian
I completely agree with Andreas.
To support Russia and the tyrant Putin of the Ukrainian genocide is
equal to support Hitler or Stalin actions and massive murders.
Any doubt who is the real aggressor and criminal on this tragedy means
siding with the murderers of the innocent Ukrainian
Dear Mathias,
I hesitate because this argument will change nothing, and more
knowledgeable people are making it more elegantly elsewhere, I hope. But
I want to shortly respond to your claim that "NATO is not completely
innocent of what is going on". From my point of view, this is only true
Dear friends and neighbours,
with all shared emotions about the horrible things that happen in the
Ukraine and with particular sympathies for the victims of Russia's
invasion, might I still put up a thought for discussion?
I saw elderly ladies in the streets of Berlin today carrying signs
Putin and Russian fascism will have to face trial for crimes against
humanity,
but now what is needed is a strong European and International unity
against
this brutal and unjustifiable agression to stop, once for ever, the
criminal Putin.
El 2022-02-24 14:25, Eric Kluitenberg escribió:
Yes
Yes thank you so much Andreas,
I think we all need a bit of time to digest this- what happens here is not just
something with unprecedented geopolitical implications, but also runs right
through (Ukranian / Russian) families.
An unspeakable tragedy…
Deeply concerned,
Eric
> On 24 Feb 2022,
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