You really would have to sprinkler it like 24' to 25' or idle pallet storage
with solid shelves (Anyone ever seen any criteria for that?) to have any
chance that you'd put enough water in and around the fire to protect the
building, while the Pod's burn.
Maybe we could submit a code change to on
The biggest problem with interior fire protection of a POD is that you
have no assurance that the thing isn't packed wall to wall and floor to
ceiling. The sprinkler won't do any good when stuff is jammed up
against it. Also, no guarantee that the sprinkler wouldn't get damaged
or broke off altog
Why couldn't you install a couple heads, even HSW with pipe strapped to the
wall, and have the POD equipped with a quick-release connection or even a
grooved connection. Have drops coming down from the overhead system with
flex-head style connection to match the quick-connect, or an 1 -1/4" grooved
One other issue, it depends on which "POD" you are talking about. The brand
name "POD" is of a different construction than the so called pod storage units
that Home Depot handles.
I wonder if POD corporate headquarters would happen to have some fire
protection guidelines for warehouses stori
You cannot internally sprinkle the POD units. If you haven't seen them
they are for lack of better description, a shipping container. Similar
to what you see on ocean going freighters. Those are much larger of
course but same basic principal. They are designed to be dropped off at
your house an
The requirement can be found in the Building Code (IBC).
For the 2000 Edition 704.12 Opening Protection, Exception; "Fire
Protective Assemblies are not required where the building is protected
throughout by an automatic sprinkler system AND the exterior openings
are protected by an approved water
I know this topic has been beaten to death more than once, but I was
just wondering if there is any new data, fire tests, loss data or
concepts for LH occupancies with ceiling clouds?
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, Connecticut
860-535-2080
www.fpdc.com
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This is one where a little common sense is required on the part of the
AHJ. If there is a fire in the space the piping is running through, the
the sprinklers at windows are of no use.
Joe
Reed Roisum wrote:
John,
8.15.3.3 (2002 ed.) may be what you are looking for.
Reed Roisum
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Approaching this from a commodity perspective is inappropriate.
Commodity classification is based on storage "units" roughly 42 in. x
42in x 42 in. in size. 8' x 8' x 16' PODS where a fire can start within
a unit are in an entirely different league.
If you were to remove the sides of the pods
If your still in negotiations with the owner / developer, add an alternate
or allowance for FPE design work in your proposal, and explain to them why
this would be a good idea.
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
>On Behalf of Mike Cabral:
If you have a measurable head of pressure .433528 psi for every foot of
head. .
> . compounded by a differential dry pipe valve of say 6 to 1. . . a
water filled
> pipe 20 feet high would produce 52 psi on the system side of the
clapper. If you
> had 50 psi supply p
John,
8.15.3.3 (2002 ed.) may be what you are looking for.
Reed Roisum
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In #13, it's the paragraph just after the criteria we apply for anonymous
insurance underwriters that are referenced generically in the spec.
glc
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Jim In a perfect world that might be the case but in actuality, the
majority of bid projects come with a line on some architectural plan
that says "Provide sprinkler protection per NFPA 13 for our highly
experimental, top secret, intergalactic, space fuel project" and that's
all you get.
What yo
How about an old movie "The Trouble with Angels"
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All,
I've been told we can't run new sprinkler piping through an existing
unsprinklered building without sprinklering the space where we run. The
goal is to provide to sprinkler protection along windows for separation
issues but to not have to sprinkler the entire existing space under this
pr
There is always a story Matt, this one is (at this point) a negotiated job
with a GC we have done work for previously. Once the budget is solidified
and they have been committed to we will be glad to invest more money into
the project. If the overall budget works out then we will dig deep. Right
no
Greg
In most areas the AHJ has required the building owner/developer to have
a fire protection engineering analysis done for the PODs storage
configuration. This analysis needs to address as a minimum the storage
configuration, fuel loads, building's construction, exterior access,
proposed sprinkl
Jim has given some great advice in his response. But I wanted to tell you it
is hard, but we have refused bids or sent out RFI prior to bid crying foul,
outside scope. Not enough info to provide bid. Then they get an engineer
(which should have been done prior to releasing for bid) If there IS an
e
Thanks Jim, that gives me something to work with and it makes sense.
Greg
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852
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Greg
There has been no full scale fire testing of the PODs storage configuration,
and until there has been testing the design of sprinkler protection for this
storage needs to be very conservative, addressing some of the unique features
and problems presented by this storage configuration.
Re
Not yet, It is hard to pay an engineer to help you bid a job and then
someone else can use the criteria you paid for.
Greg
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
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Yeah I know. This is why you didn't see a solution from the last time.
Please consider Mr. Joe's words as well. Not everything falls in the scope
of 13. Is there an engineer involved at all? Might be a good time to make
one of those folks earn their $$.
Matt
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For those (like me) not familiar with this application.
www.pods.com/
Bill Brooks
Pittsburgh
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The formal restrictions are what you would expect:
No flammable liquids, hazardous materials, explosives and blah blah blah.
I know there is the possibility of dangerous stuff but I do believe the
majority of the stuff in the containers is going to be normal household
items that are either in tra
If I recall the last time we discussed this, it was the "other" stuff that
can be placed in the PODS that make a big IF appear on the horizon. I know
you can't design to "if" but... Has anyone set fire on these yet since our
last discussion?
Matt
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Greg, From what I can tell, this would essentially be container
storage. It could be worthwhile to find out who they are marketing to
to figure out what might show up. If they are marketing to primarily
individuals, the chances of their being a POD of rubber tires would
be slim. Does the compan
Why can't it be designed as solid pile group A plastics.
The fire code will speculate the distance between piles and the total size
of the piles go to chapter 23 of the IFC( 2003 edition) for a high hazard
commoditiy
So, why wouldn't a density for a group A plastic up to (I think it was
speculate
Is there no help from the forum on this one?!
The guy has to protect the building and the one thing I am absolutely sure
about is that we will not be putting sprinklers inside the PODs themselves.
Other than that it is in the air - water - foam?
Has there been any recorded fires in these facilit
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