RE: -- Fire on exterior wall of a building

2008-11-07 Thread Todd Williams - FPDC
Valve or FDC sleep with one eye open or oft up to p Haiku At 03:10 PM 11/7/2008, you wrote: Manual valve or FDC, sleep with one eye open, or often get up to p Longfellow -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of å... Sent: Friday, November

RE: -- Fire on exterior wall of a building

2008-11-07 Thread George Church
Manual valve or FDC, sleep with one eye open, or often get up to p Longfellow -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of å... Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 1:39 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: -- Fire on exterior wall of a bu

RE: Fire on exterior sprinklered balcony or apartment building

2008-11-07 Thread George Church
So "we" still got there first :) That's why smoking and pot don't mix. People could die. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Steven D. (CSFD) Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:23 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fir

-- Fire on exterior wall of a building

2008-11-07 Thread å... ....
To take the fire on an exterior balcony and give it a slight twist, consider this... I have someone in a cold town, with many 4 story wooden buildings. Owner of one of these buildings wants protection of their 4 story structure (wood cornices, wooden exterior paneling and windows) from fire in

Re: White papes and definition of roles

2008-11-07 Thread Jim . Roberts
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Re: Fire Pump Suction

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RE: Fire on exterior sprinklered balcony or apartment building

2008-11-07 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
The initial call made was a phone alarm for the sight of smoke from the building. While enroute dispatch received the water flow alarm for the sprinkler activation. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Friday, November

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Russell
Come to Georgia, they're not required. Russell Rewis Brown Automatic Sprinklers, Inc. 107C Hemlock Street Valdosta, Georgia 31601 229-244-8130 [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wonder how may projects there are out there with no EoR? Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connect

Re: Fire on exterior sprinklered balcony or apartment building

2008-11-07 Thread Joe Hankins
Steve, A fact often missed is that sprinklers can't be expected to control a fire above them. This is especially true of sidewall sprinklers. It's no mystery, because in situations like yours, the fire is well established before it burns through the the deck above, and no water from sprinkle

RE: Fire on exterior sprinklered balcony or apartment building

2008-11-07 Thread Thom McMahon
Of course it's a sprinkler save! Did someone respond, because the sprinkler when off? Was the fire extinguished, not by the sprinkler, but by the responding dept. because the sprinkler went off. Assume this was a 13R system? No lives lost, property damage minimal. THAT'S A SAVE!! It not only could

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Leyton
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RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Leyton
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RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread John Drucker
NFPA-25 only applies to ITM, NFPA-20 applies to initial design and acceptance. In that regard; 2007 NFPA-20 14.2.7.2.2 applies to Field Acceptance Test Procedures, the testing provisions don't justify nor negate the general requirements. Preceding 14.2.7.2.2 of the standard is 5.14.3.1, 3.2 & 3.

Re: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread me
NFPA 25 2008, 8.3.3.1.1 If the available suction supplies do not allow flowing of the pump at 150 percent, flow at maximum. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: "Fletcher, Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:35:48 To: Subject: RE

Fire on exterior sprinklered balcony or apartment building

2008-11-07 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
Thought I'd share this. Earlier this week, we had a fire that started in the corner of a third floor combustible exterior balcony of a 3-story apartment building. The fire started due to the improper disposal of a cigarette in a flower pot. The fire smoldered in the pot and the pot eventually tip

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread George Church
I have a 2500 at 65 diesel if you really want to accent the problem. In service one year, run weekly. glc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC I am working on a hospital with a 250 gpm pump that is trying to feed 3 stand

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Fletcher, Ron
What's the problem? Test the pump at 100% capacity and quit. 14.2.7.2.2 If available suction supplies do not permit the flowing of 150 percent of rated pump capacity, the fire pump shall be operated at maximum allowable discharge to determine its acceptance. This reduced capacity shall constitute

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Todd Williams - FPDC
Sadly I hang my head when I hear where was the EoR. John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ) New Jersey I wonder how may projects there are out there with no EoR? Todd G. Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, Connecticut www.fpdc.com 860.535.2080 _

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Chris Cahill
I like this test/solution choices. But today will not be indicative of future. Remember in theory new pipe performs better than the c-factor used for new pipe. The changes in the c-factor may become an issue. A few hand calcs should give you an idea where you are at now and where you will be in

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread John Drucker
As the saying goes bigger is not always better. Sadly I hang my head when I hear where was the EoR. John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ) New Jersey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Friday, Novem

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Todd Williams - FPDC
It's nice to see that I don't get all of this stuff to figure out. I wonder where the EoR was on this project? I also love the term "had access". Is this a pump he mis-ordered for another job and got stuck with? If this were my crisis, I would run a test increasing the flow in 100 gpm incremen

RE: Plastic rack storage question

2008-11-07 Thread Dewayne Martinez
Thanks Joe, I will inform the owner that no storage should take place above the 25ft level. This forum is great, I learn something every day. Dewayne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Hankins Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:55 PM To: