some IBC jurisdictions, and I am not includingall because of my limited
experience, require
sprinkler protection under [and in] Porte Cochere's
if they are attached to the main structure [ and combustible
construction]. Variances granted if
noncombustible construction or separated
with fire barrie
And Ed's comments bring us back to the size of fire. Sprinklers in
racks because we expect big fires in racks so big fires set off
sprinklers shielded by commodities above. No commodities above and we
have ceiling sprinklers with a ceiling above. There are apartment
buildings in the NW with no eave
See NFPA 13 (2002) section 8.14.7, especially handbook commentary.
However, local building code may trump this and you will need to
check them. (Porte Cochere: french for coach door)
At 11:03 PM 3/28/2009, you wrote:
>I can't address how the IBC looks at porte cocheres, but by definition
>(Webs
I've reread (several times) the proposed change to 7.3.2(5) and I think I
now understand the intent. But I'm still confused.
The proposed change to A.7.3.2 (also part of 14-53 Log#CP3) adds a sentence
that reads "Only one standpipe is necessary to serve the roof, it is not the
intent to extend
I can't address how the IBC looks at porte cocheres, but by definition
(Webster's & others), they are for picking up and dropping off passengers,
not for parking.
Ed Kramer
Littleton, CO
> Are Porto Cochere's considered a parking structure, if open on 3 sides.
> Does anyone know where this is in
The problem we designers have is that neither 13R nor the IBC addresses the
spacing of sprinks protecting the decks/balconies. That leaves us with the
criteria located in NFPA 13. NFPA 13 says sidewall sprinks can be located
up to 14' on-center (light hazard) and upright/pendent sprinks can be
lo
Does anyone have a detail of the pipe support for a HEF generator that
they would be willing to share with me offline? I need a detail that is
not all thread rod only, but includes either strut or angle iron and
sway bracing and we will further modify as necessary, but I thought
maybe someone
I was informed by the NFSA rep today that HB 2 a transportation bill has been
altered to stop residential sprinklers.
There is a public hearing on this Monday morning at 10:00 am. It has passed the
house and senate and is in a conference committee.
If it passes this committee it will go to the
Dave,
I know firsthand of the issue. I was a firefighter assigned to the Truck
(L-180) at the Dunes Condo Fire in Port Monmouth (Middletown), NJ.
Heres the video; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7755300206427539841
(The audio narration is the cameraman speculating yada yada)
Ladder 18
o the building codes define "stairway access"?
>
> Ed Kramer
> Littleton, CO
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If your still on IBC 2003 check out 1009.12 Stairway to roof
It allows an alternating tread device.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
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Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
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Are Porto Cochere's considered a parking structure, if open on 3 sides.
Does anyone know where this is in IBC?
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I believe the focus on this requirement is that these exterior spaces
(decks, balconies, whatever you call thems) represent an appreciable risk to
the building due to human activity. There have been some losses of
mid-rise 13R properties that were spectacular to watch as an exterior fire
on the b
Thanks, John and thanks Thom.
So, NFPA 14 and the IBC use slightly different phrasing (stairway access vs
stair access). A ladder leading from the highest landing up to a roof hatch
might qualify as 'stairway access', but not as 'stair access'. I may need a
formal interpretation on this one.
What's the AFSA position on this issue, i.e. "Exterior Decks/Balconies 13R
Sprinklers" ?
Thanks
John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official
New Jersey
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