RE: HSW 18" below ceiling

2012-10-02 Thread Stuart Hope
Thanks. Regards, Stuart Hope Director PROTECH DESIGN LIMITED Specialist Fire Protection Designers Phone:09 298 4877  Mobile:0274 896 999  Email:stu...@protechdesign.co.nz  Web:www.protechdesign.co.nz Address:50 Gatland Road, Papakura 2113, Auckland, NZ Postal:PO Box 72920, Papakura 2244, Auckla

HSW 18" below ceiling

2012-10-02 Thread Nicky Marshall
NFPA 13 clause 8.7.4.1.1.2 permits Horizontal sidewall sprinklers to be 18in (457mm) below a non-combustible ceiling where listed for such use. - does anyone know of a sprinkler listed for this distance? Thanks in advance for your help Kind regards Nicky Marshall Branch Manager (Blenheim) Pr

Re: Fire pump annual test (VALVES)

2012-10-02 Thread Timothy W Goins
Some UL/FM playpipes are listed with and without the tips. I used to have a listed " test nozzle also. "For I am not ashamed of the gospel , , because it is God’s power for salvation to everyone who believes..." HCS Romans 1:16 On Oct 2, 2012, at 6:14 PM, "Tom Duross" wrote: > This message c

RE: Fire pump annual test

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Duross
Brad, we measure rpm as a means of adjusting pressures to rated speed. These pumps are magic and speed is not supposed to change. Pump affinity. Also, when you have more than one pipe size difference between discharge and suction, you should adjust for velocity pressure (or read discharge aft

RE: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Duross
It was the thirty minute run once a week from an engine that was the concern. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dave Phelan Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:27 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkle

RE: Fire pump annual test (VALVES)

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Duross
I would never put full pump pressure on a header that's normally empty or use hose gates to modulate either. Always modulate with the OS&Y or BV, keep the pump pressure in the system, who cares if you have 2) 18's, a 19 and a 17? Playpipes are only listed with the tips on (1-1/8") which is why we

RE: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators

2012-10-02 Thread Dave Phelan
I'm grasping the idea of wanting to prevention the transmission of vibration and such when the pump is mounted above an occupied floor, particularly in a residential building, although I'm thinking there isn't a catcher's mitt big enough for the pieces which will be bouncing off the IBC required FR

RE: Fire pump annual test (VALVES)

2012-10-02 Thread Matthew J. Willis
You can, not supposed to, but you can. I have never been able to get the same reading at each without using the valves on the header. Each hose is going to lose differently regardless of length. So you must always adjust the valves to get "equal" readings. (Equal being relative to the bouncing of

RE: Fire pump annual test (VALVES)

2012-10-02 Thread Cahill, Christopher
You can't open an OS&Y part way? I did say the same set up. So if you have 4 playpipes at the same elevation connected each with 50' of hose you are good. I suppose of you put a 90 deg kink in one of the hoses you no longer have the same setup. Throw in one shorter or longer hose and you no

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RE: Fire pump annual test (VALVES)

2012-10-02 Thread Matthew J. Willis
". If you have the same setup on each valve and playpipe you can open all the 2.5" valves first with no flow and throttle with the manifold valve as all the playpipes should be the same. " Unless your manifold valve is non-throttling (OS&Y). Even then, isn't each hose lay different? R/ Matt

RE: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators

2012-10-02 Thread Mark Sornsin
Of course, the one question that hasn't been asked is "Why?" Normally, mechanical equipment is placed on isolators to reduce noise and vibration. Why? Because the equipment runs periodically or often during the day and can be disruptive to the building occupants if noise is not abated. How ofte

RE: Fire pump annual test

2012-10-02 Thread Hinson, Ryan
"At 0 flow, the pressure should not be more than 120% rated..." While churn pressure not exceeding 120% of pump rating may be preferable for the specific application, NFPA 20 (2010) Sections 6.2.1, 7.1.2.2, as well as Figure A.6.2, allow churn pressure to 140% of rated head for any type of pump

RE: Fire pump annual test

2012-10-02 Thread Cahill, Christopher
One clarification. You can't take your final pressure pitot readings until you have all the valves/playpipes open. As you open subsequent ones the prior ones drop a bit. Your best bet is BEFORE you do the test know what pitot you want from each playpipe and how many valves you want open. Ope

RE: Fire pump annual test

2012-10-02 Thread Brad Casterline
Gerzayn, It is OK to do more, but the minimum required is to read/record (4) things at (3) flow rates. The (3) flow rates are 0, rated, and 150% rated. The (4) things are: 1. The difference between suction pressure and discharge pressure 2. RPM 3. Volts 4. Amps The following is FYI for sprinkler

RE: Fire Pump on vibration spring type isolators

2012-10-02 Thread Tom Duross
Not sure currently. I did run into the pump rep quite a few years later who argued against it at the time but he told me the pad settled down onto the floor. I haven't seen it in years myself. I'll ask around. -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:spr