RE: corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-10-29 Thread MFP Design, LLC
That pretty clearly shows 4 sprinklers in a corridor. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:tm...@mfpdesign.com

RE: corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-10-29 Thread Larry Keeping
Take a look at NFPA 13, Figure A.11.3.1.1(a), Examples of Design Area for Dwelling Units. Larry Keeping From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of NSFD Sent: October-29-18 8:32 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: corridors and residential sprinklers I would go w/ the four sprink

Re: Pipe Sch Water Supplies

2018-10-29 Thread Ed Vining
The number 15 sticks in my head, possibly the static pressure at the top of the riser, with no mention of pressure losses due to flow. Ed Vining 4819 John Muir Rd Martinez CA 94553 925-228-8792 fpe...@gmail.com On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 1:47 PM Mark Eckard < meck...@fireprotectionservicesllc.com> w

Re: Private Residential Garages

2018-10-29 Thread Bruce Verhei
I’d building department plan review done? If so call the Fire plan reviewer. If plans weren’t stamped by the building department I wouldn’t have given you an answer. The townhome / apartment designation sometimes cycles four or five times between pre-app and approved building permit plans. Arch

Re: corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-10-29 Thread NSFD
I would go w/ the four sprinklers. Section 8.4.5.1 permits residential sprinklers for dwelling units "and their adjoining corridors" and I think that's the key to get you into 11.3.1 for calculations. (2013 edition references). On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 5:09 PM MFP Design, LLC wrote: > For a proje

corridors and residential sprinklers

2018-10-29 Thread MFP Design, LLC
For a project that is a "typical" apartment building protected by NFPA 13 using residential sprinklers, how many sprinklers do you calculate in a corridor. In the NFPA 13 handbook, it says that when doing room design method, you can consider the corridor a room and calculate 5. However, the handb

RE: Private Residential Garages

2018-10-29 Thread Pete Schwab
13 or 13R is a big difference. 2019 13R made changes in regards to garages classified as U occupancy. 1000 FT² and less can use residential From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 6:28 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Private Resi

RE: Pipe Sch Water Supplies

2018-10-29 Thread Art Tiroly
This is a 55 year old pipe schedule system 130 SF head. This is a change of use and requires a density design. Existing system does not work hydraulically. Therefore I am creating a calculated system which requires replacing small pipe at end of BL’s with 1.5”. Is this not necessary? Ar

Re: Pipe Sch Water Supplies

2018-10-29 Thread Roland Huggins
Not sure East you mean: Not meant fro warehousing but you are converting from a F occupancy to warehousing. Nonetheless,tyhere is no schedule for storage. That was deleted many cycles ago. Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.fire

Re: Private Residential Garages

2018-10-29 Thread Ron Greenman
If they aren't townhouse but are condos or apartments are they being designed as 13 or 13R dwellings? Or if duplexes perhaps 13D? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog, screenwriter, film director, author,

Re: Private Residential Garages

2018-10-29 Thread Gary Stites
I would say they are not townhomes as the garages may not necessarily have the same owner/user as the dwelling above. On Mon, Oct 29, 2018 at 2:54 PM Bruce Verhei wrote: > First I’d find out if these are townhomes (single family dwellings) or > apartments. > > Townhome is a defined term in the I

Re: Private Residential Garages

2018-10-29 Thread Bruce Verhei
First I’d find out if these are townhomes (single family dwellings) or apartments. Townhome is a defined term in the IRC, IBC, and IFC. A Townhome is a zero lot line single family dwelling. As it is also a real estate term incorrect usage often bounces around a project. Best. Bruce Verhei

Private Residential Garages

2018-10-29 Thread Gary Stites
We have a project with single car garages side-by-side under residential dwellings (condos). The garages have no communicating openings as they are optional to the tenants and they are separated from the dwellings (and each other) with 1-hour walls. Obviously, they have a roll up door opening to gi

RE: Pipe Sch Water Supplies

2018-10-29 Thread Art Tiroly
What is the sprinkler spacing 90-130 SF? Light or OH? Not meant for warehousing. I'm working on one now converting from factory to warehousing. 1”, 1”, 1-1/4” does not calculate at 130 SF/head. Up sizing to get .20/1500 for 8-10’ storage of household furnishings and storage. Art Tiroly

RE: Pipe Sch Water Supplies

2018-10-29 Thread tstone52
2016 ed. NFPA 13, Chapt 11.2.2 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mark Eckard Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 4:48 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Pipe Sch Water Supplies I remember in some of the older NFPA-13s there were minimum water supply requirements for Pipe S

RE: Pipe Sch Water Supplies

2018-10-29 Thread Matt Grise
NFPA 13 2010 section 11.2.2 Matt From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Mark Eckard Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 3:48 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Pipe Sch Water Supplies I remember in some of the older NFPA-13s there were minimum water supply requirements for Pipe Sch

Pipe Sch Water Supplies

2018-10-29 Thread Mark Eckard
I remember in some of the older NFPA-13s there were minimum water supply requirements for Pipe Scheduled systems. Does any one have that information? I thought I had it, but I cant seem to locate it. Thank You *Mark E. Eckard SET* *Fire Protection Services, LLC* 2126 US Hwy. 41 North Per

Re: High School Weight Room - epistemology of fire hazard classification

2018-10-29 Thread Bruce Verhei
The rolled up mats I’ve seen were in side rooms. Then the mats moved in for summer. 18’ x 30’ x 9.5’h ? Stuffed. Best. Bruce Verhei > On Oct 29, 2018, at 09:10, Steve Leyton wrote: > > All of this is accurate of course … in the vacuum of What If. I guess we’ll > have to do fire and smoke

RE: High School Weight Room - epistemology of fire hazard classification

2018-10-29 Thread Steve Leyton
All of this is accurate of course … in the vacuum of What If. I guess we’ll have to do fire and smoke models on multipurpose rooms now before we move forward with Light or Ordinary Hazard. How many rolled up mats? 5? 10? What about FCLs, should we throw in 5 x cases of 1 gal. containers