[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread Steve Leyton
We’ve seen our first pieces of Sch. 10 fail from MIC recently, but that’s a different ballgame and NONE of the parent steel alloys factor that in their CRR ratings. I’d like offer another angle if I may, because this thread has been in the context of contractor and product practices only so

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread tstone52
Only that the owner is worried about pipe failures using schedule 10. I don’t know where is information is coming from. In my 34 years in this industry I have never heard or seen Schedule 10 pipe failures on water filled sprinkler systems unless they freeze. The only other scenario is the use

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread John Denhardt
For information purposes only, I have done many projects whose specifications require schedule 40 black steel pipe for all systems. Threaded or grooved ends are allowed. For dry pipe or preaction systems, roll grooves are not allowed; only cut grooves. I have great success with this approach.

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread Fpdcdesign
Did the specifying engineer state why he/she wants only Sch 40? > > On Nov 22, 2022 at 12:14 PM, (mailto:sbi...@wenteplumbing.com)> wrote: > > > > I always use the Corrosion Resistance Ratio (CRR) argument.Basically, the > thickness of

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread Skyler Bilbo
I always use the Corrosion Resistance Ratio (CRR) argument. Basically, the thickness of schedule 10 piping is greater than or equal to the thickness of the first exposed thread of threaded schedule 40. Using this argument, schedule 10 should theoretically last at least as long as threaded

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread Brett Peters
Go to the engineered corrosion solutions page, they have several studies on corrosion of pipe, much better to install a nitrogen system with sch 10 then to install sch 40 pipe. The biggest problem with sch 40 is that it still corrodes but instead of failing the pipe just ends up full of corrosion

[Sprinklerforum] Re: Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread Matt Grise
The only info that comes to mind is the comparison of thicknesses. If they are the same material, same coating, same environment - as I understand it, the rate of corrosion is linear through the 'meat' of the pipe. I believe that is the basis for the corrosion resistance ratio concept. The old

[Sprinklerforum] Steel pipe failure rates

2022-11-22 Thread tstone52
Are there any studies comparing the failure rates of Schedule 10 steel pipe versus schedule 40 steel pipe used on wet water filled sprinkler systems? I have a client who is not allowing the use of schedule 10 Main piping 2 ½” and larger on their projects. All piping used has to be schedule 40.