RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-28 Thread Craig.Prahl
nklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Can someone please put into laymen's terms the difference between doing a fire flow demand calc for the underground and the hydraulic calc's for the sprinkler system? We have been running into some projects lately where

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-28 Thread Brian Harris
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Fire flow is a term and issue not often addressed by A/E and fire protection engineers. Fire Flow is a requirement within the IFC, Section 507.3 to be specific. There are numerous methods available to use to determine Fire Flow

Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Brian Harris
Can someone please put into laymen's terms the difference between doing a fire flow demand calc for the underground and the hydraulic calc's for the sprinkler system? We have been running into some projects lately where the civil engineer tries to pawn sizing the underground off onto the

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Pete Schwab
: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Duane Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:48 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's To add, the fire flow is based on construction type, building height/area

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Reed A. Roisum, SET
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Can someone please put into laymen's terms the difference between doing a fire flow demand

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread David Blackwell
Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's *** SCDLLR NOTICE *** This email is from an external email address. Please use

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Matt Grise
7 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.526.7443 cell www. AFPsprink.com   -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 12:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Fire Flow vs Hydra

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Brian Harris
- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Fletcher Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:14 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's It's in Appendix B of IFC and is definitely in the realm

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Mark A. Sornsin, P.E.
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:13 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Peter- Much appreciated. Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. bvssytemsinc.com

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Duane Johnson
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:55 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Definitely out of our control but I was looking for the differences between the (2) calculations. I

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Duane Johnson
Office 301-455-0010 Cell -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:50 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Check the IBC/IFC

Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Ron Fletcher
It's in Appendix B of IFC and is definitely in the realm of A/E team. Fire flow, hydrant spacing etc.. Is required for building permits (usually) and the fire line size should have been determined well before a sprinkler contractor was involved. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2015, at 1:46

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Brian Harris
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's You can tell them they need a 20" line and that they might want to have the architect verify your findings. . On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Brian Harris <bhar...@bvssystemsinc.com> wrote: > Ron- > I totally

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Pete Schwab
ete Schwab Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:59 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's See NFPA 13 2016 Edition A.11.1.4.2 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 347

Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread IPA
-- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: > sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Fletcher > Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:14 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's > > It's in Appendix B of IFC and is definitely in the r

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Brian Harris
: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:50 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Check the IBC/IFC (index... not sure what section). Fire Flow is the amount

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Brian Harris
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's See NFPA 13 2016 Edition A.11.1.4.2 Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax

RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's

2015-12-22 Thread Brian Harris
Subject: RE: Fire Flow vs Hydraulic calc's Brian A.11.1.4.2 Appropriate area/density, other design criteria, and water supply requirements should be based on scientifically based engineering analyses that can include submitted fire testing, calculations, or results from appropriate computational