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Subject: RE: Ordinary chemical plants?
What?
Phosphorus is commonly misspelled phosphorous. It is an essential
component of living systems and is found in nervous tissue, bones and cell
protoplasm. Phosphorus exists in several allotropic forms including white
(or yellow), red
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Ordinary chemical plants?
Regardless, keep it in kerosene like the man said.
Bill Minkel, Designer
Western States Fire Protection, Dallas
NFPA Member #2578666
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Regardless, keep it in kerosene like the man said.
Bill Minkel, Designer
Western States Fire Protection, Dallas
NFPA Member #2578666
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Here's my logic because I have classified quite a few chemical occupancies
whether we're doing the sprinkler system design in-house or it's going to
a sprinkler contractor. As long as a chemical plant has under the IBC/IFC
exempt quantities of chemicals - flammable combustible liquids, health
only if you want to fix this issue. I'll have my iCal beep me in
2011 to send you a smack if it isn't submitted (lol)
Plastics Processing (EH2) is the same type issue. It is being fixed
this cycle. We may be able to jump from that to Labs with a Comment
this cycle.
Roland
On Mar 6,
No such animal. Don't be mislead.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
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I have never done a chemical processing facility that fell under NFPA 13
and never an OH occupancy. Usually they fall under NFPA 30 or a more
stringent and specific FM criteria. Each plant requires a detailed
hazards analysis of the process, equipment types and purpose, MSDS info
as well as
I'm glad to see others seem to be thinking along the same lines. This
is the second design-build chemical facility project this year with
no engineering or insurance company input and no company policies on
fire protection other than 'code says we need sprinklers'.
Let me pose this: if there
Ordinary Chemicals would be water based materials of inorganic compounds. No
flammable solvents, oils or organic compounds would be allowed. Moderately
combustible chemicals. What were you thinking about?
Art at ATCO Fire
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they're the ones where the employees can smoke at their work tables..
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Subject: Ordinary chemical plants?
In NFPA 13, under the section
As with any guide book, it can be easy to misinterpret the intention of
the source. The list of hazards in 13 is a broad brush and without
proper experience one could misinterpret the statement to be all
inclusive which of course it can't be. For any engineering company
to apply the broad brush
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Sent: March 6, 2008 11:15 AM
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I'm glad to see others seem to be thinking along the same lines. This is the
second design-build chemical facility project this year with no engineering
or insurance company input
Craig,
You'll love this. A small sprinklered building housing a molten salt (1000
degrees) bath that pretty much fills the entire building. The fire marshal
won't allow the sprinkler system to shut off or removed even though the
manufacturer states in the literature multiple times in bold and red
This is a design-build project: translation - no engineering. The
builder sold the client a shell and hired subs to fill it in. My
role, right now, is as sprinkler system designer. However, that is
expanding and will probably at least cover engineering for the
storage area, once they figure
Davidson
Davidson Associates
302-378-7600
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As with any guide book
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Subject: RE: Ordinary chemical plants?
There could be chemical plants that are OH2. Say a plant manufacturing
medical drugs. That would also be a chemical plant. If the processed
material and products are non-hazardous, it could be OH2. Say a plant
that manufactures toothpaste. I
:38 PM
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- Toothpaste, uh, you'd die if you knew some of the stuff
- that goes into
- making some of our non-hazardous household products.
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- Pharmaceuticals can use some highly
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Toothpaste, uh, you'd die if you knew some of the stuff that goes into
making some of our non-hazardous
Western States Fire Protection, Dallas
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This is a design
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Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 4:15 PM
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You transport Phosphorus in water
, 2008 2:57 PM
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My son just did his chemistry report on Phosphorus - his mobile had a tube
of toothpaste on it. Some phosphorus can not even be transported other than
in water. Out of water well - you do not want to be anywhere
Subject: RE: Ordinary chemical plants?
My son just did his chemistry report on Phosphorus - his mobile had a
tube
of toothpaste on it. Some phosphorus can not even be transported other
than
in water. Out of water well - you do not want to be anywhere near. Yet
it
is some toothpastes.
Point well
put it on your list of items to submit a proposal on (3 years from
now). Once the ROP is published (some time in April), give me a call
and we'll see if we can find a hook for a comment.
Roland
On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:15 AM, Todd Williams - FPDC wrote:
I'm glad to see others seem to be
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Subject: RE: Ordinary chemical plants?
You transport Phosphorus in water you gonna get a heck of a big big
surprise.
Bill Minkel, Designer
Western States Fire Protection, Dallas
NFPA Member #2578666
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So I'll put this in my Blackberry to beep at me in 2011.
At 04:52 PM 3/6/2008, you wrote:
put it on your list of items to submit a proposal on (3 years from
now). Once the ROP is published (some time in April), give me a call
and we'll see if we can find a hook for a comment.
Roland
Todd
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