, 2008 5:08 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions
I love these discussions cause I get to hear about the problems that
the contractors have in designing these systems. Guess what...we (the
AHJ) have the same problems trying to approve
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions
My point is that the NFPA 13D Committee should provide guidelines to
follow in these situations. I do not care if they say calculate the
room to light hazard as long as they put it in writing. But the way it
is now
Re: obstruction to sprinkler spray pattern development in 13-D.
First lets take a look at the purpose of NFPA-13D. Chapter 1.2 prevent
flash over and to allow the occupants to escape during the 10 minute
water supply. If too many sprinklers are operating in an area that has
been
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From: Steve Leyton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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What
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My point is that the NFPA 13D Committee should provide guidelines
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From: Eckard, Mark - Mark E [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: obstruction to sprinkler spray pattern development in 13-D.
First lets take a look at the purpose of NFPA
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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 6:10 AM
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My point is that the NFPA 13D Committee
, May 07, 2008 11:20 AM
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Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions
Hi Mark,
Your questions about the intent an function, even with some blocked
spray pattern were concerns during the sloped and beamed ceiling testing
that was done.? The Tyco
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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 9:35 AM
Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions
Except that we absolutely positively don't want to defer to 13. I get
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Bob,
Just to throw one of those ever present Pacific Northwest dark clouds
into the mix I was talking to a guy from Tyco at a seminar a couple of
months ago and asked if they had any conclusions regarding that
report. He said that they hadn't been able to reproduce the result
since that first
Bob,
I've got a similar situation in a building with residential
sprinklers designed to NFPA 13, only with soffits. Four sprinklers in
a 60 sqft bathroom seems excessive. So far I haven't come up with
anything to let me eliminate sprinklers.
IAt 12:51 PM 5/6/2008, you wrote:
I'm working
Look at Tyco's residential design guide for beams and pockets for their
residential sprinklers.
Best regards,
Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS
Burtell Fire Protection, Inc.
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Bob,
Is there a specific reason you can't use the type of residential
sprinklers which are allowed to be installed
either drilled through the beams, or installed adjacent to the bottom of
the beams? From what you've
described it seems as though the maximum depth of the pockets isn't
more
Some res heads will let you go 8 below the ceiling. With a 6 beam, stick one
in the beam and let it go.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Knight
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:52 PM
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Bob,
Refer to Tyco data sheet TFP400 (for the LFII), page 4 of 8 where they
discuss Beam Ceiling Design Criteria. You should be able to locate the
heads in the bottom of the beams and avoid the pockets for obvious reasons.
John
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Bob:
We run into this all the time. First question are the beams structural? If
the beams are decorative only drill the beams use your concealed heads and
space as normal. While the beam rules for TYCO are ok, they have a lot of
situations where you would have to tell the Arch. how to layout
Hi Bob,
I know you're using concealed but would your customer accept a sidewall in the
beamed rooms?
Owen
Bob Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/06/08 9:50 AM
I'm working on a home (13D) that has several rooms with the ceiling broken
up by beam pockets. These vary in width from 2'8 to 3'3 o.c. with
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 2:03 PM
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Bob:
We run into this all the time. First question are the beams structural? If
the beams
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From: Mike Brown (TECH- GVL) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions
The NFPA 13D Committee in their wisdom
Please ignore. Sent to wrong party.
Rahe Loftin
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From: rahe.loftin
Sent: 05/06/2008 03:16 PM EST
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Subject: Re: Residential Sprinklers and Beam Obstructions
Please call them and tell them I am on the way
I love these discussions cause I get to hear about the problems that
the contractors have in designing these systems. Guess what...we (the
AHJ) have the same problems trying to approve them.
I remembered a similar discussion saying something about not allowing
them to build something that you
Sometimes, no matter how ridiculous it seems, it's better to just to install
them in every pocket then at least you're covered liability wise. Also, when
you get into these high dollar luxury homes with beams, slopes, fireplaces
in every room etc.. aesthetics plays a very important role and the
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