Dear Friends,
I have Elite fire sprinkler hydraulic calculation software, but it is very
complicated and I don't know where to begin, I would like to know if anyone has
a manual or step to step guideline of this software or a some demonstrate
examples?
My second question is that if I have
At a minimum, you have Extra 2 due to shielding.
I shudder to think of modular homes stacked in racks, continuing my
parallel.
glc
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Huggins
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On another similar forum Ozzie from Las Vegas (Fire Marshal)came up with a
new slogan that he is trying to push
Sprinklers save fire fighters too!
It has a ring
Personally I like Lets put the automatic back in sprinklers
Michael O'Brian
Code Savvy Consultants
www.codesavvyconsultants.com
Mike,
I use Safe Buildings Save Lives, then everyone's considered including
police officers who often find themselves as first responders.
Sincerely
John Drucker
Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)
Red Bank, NJ
Safe Buildings Save Lives !
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No argument from me, just regurgitating what was written. I have to
argue the issue of risk versus code requirements all the time with those
who don't comprehend that their perception of risk has nothing to do
with the requirements set forth by the codes we are required to follow.
Craig L.
Tony,
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!
I apologize for my oversight on this particular point!
Your scenario does indeed end up with a 1500 sq.ft. area and is exactly
what my post attempted to demonstrate.
Thank you for this correction,
Ray Vance
Chief Engineering Tech
Wayne Automatic Fire
Unless there's a major fire event at a structure like this there will in
all likelihood not be any serious testing or modeling of how to protect
them. Few people will become outraged at a dock fire, (well except the
owners of boats stored) so unless there is another Charleston type
incident at
Craig,
Ever heard the saying, Code Books are History Books written in Blood ?
That defines reactive thinking.
As far as boat storage goes, or for that matter any building or
structure, the public expects the fire department to save lives and
preserve property. While the fire service's primary
No offense intended as I am probably the least of men on this forum: but
apparently there are no experts in this scenario.
Hence the ongoing discussion.
Why do we have to wait for death to respond to a question in this country?
Greg
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Back in April I attended a meeting of the New England Chapter of ASCET which
was held at FM Global's test laboratory and during our tour which included a
live fire demonstration we saw that they were bringing in boats to conduct
fire test on them. We didn't get to see those tests but I am
Does anyone know of any measures that can be taken regarding sprinkler
systems to get Green Building or LEED points? I am often asked about this
and have been thinking about it. The use of extended coverage heads
wherever possible would make sense, since that increases branch line spacing
and
What Thom said. 20 year user.
Tom
GRS
If you have a registered copy of Elite, you can call tech support and they
will send you the manual.
Elite is the simplest program I've ever used, but I am not familiar with
Sunrise, which sounds like a mechanical flow program.
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
Steve,
Go back a bit further to the sprinkler head vs. hose nozzle water
usage, less run-off, less dirty run-off, less smoke, less materials
used in rebuilding, less burnt stuff to put in landfills, less fuel
used in trucks racing to a fire (OK, I'm getting a bit out there now
but like any good
Steve,
Both Tyco and Anvil have literature available on this. Apparently
their manufacturing processes for gooved fittings meet some level of
compliance (silver?)
Bill Koebrich
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If you really want to push the envelope, there's always the water
chemistry issue. Treatment to stabilize PH, break down chemical
additives such as chlorine, preemptive MIC mitigation, etc. All of
this can be perceived as making the water more ground-friendly and
acceptable to discharge into
Here is tycos green sheet. They also have a device that recircs water for flow
switch testing
http://www.sprinkcad.com/SC3820/news_pdfs/Green%20Bro%20low%20res.pdf
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If you really want to push the envelope,
Actually there are points available for Local Fabrication and more if
there is a re-use and waste reduction program.
If you fab your own pipe you get points.
If your computer program reduces waste you get points.
If your pipe is made from some % of re-cycled materials you get points.
If the
Thank you John.
On 8/13/07, John Drucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read all about it; http://www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CategoryID=19
John Drucker
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Ron wrote; less fuel used in trucks racing to a fire.
Hey Ron, Not at there at all.
As a matter of fact the motors used in fire apparatus are required to meet
specific environmental requirements and they become more and more stringent
each year. For example I just chaired a committee to
Read all about it; http://www.usgbc.org/DisplayPage.aspx?CategoryID=19
John Drucker
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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:04 PM
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Money and politics?
glc
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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 9:16 AM
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Subject: RE: boat storage
No offense intended as I am probably the least of men on this
From my view, you would have to look at water usage, energy
consumed, material used and waste generated. Sounds like a worthwhile
White Paper project to me.
Ron, my Whole Earth Catalogs are long gone, but I still have my
original Earth Day pin and Mother Earth News plans for a hybrid car,
Todd, John, Ron, Thom, Steve, and others,
Thank you very much for the excellent feedback on this topic.
Steve Kowkabany
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Has anyone installed these in place of Drum Drips? And how satisfied are they
with the cost vs. operation?
www.nevertrip.com
Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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Thom-
Have a couple here, and suggested some improvements, we worked a little with
the designer who's right up in Lewisburg, 20 min away.
It's a VERY NICE unit- Looks nice, very high quality- we suggested making a
less-frills one, they concentrated on a super HQ version, and there's only a
Q
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It seems in the fire service change is always associated with an event and
is forced upon us. Take a
NFPA 13, 2002; 8.7.4.1.3.1 states deflector to bottom of soffit to be
MINIMUM 2 inches. The commentary in the handbook says depth of soffit is
limited to 8 inches, to project water to the back wall. So wouldn't the
deflector to bottom of soffit also affect spraying to the back wall, and
thus be
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