From reading the latest reports, the fertilizer facility in West, TX that
exploded had 270 tons of ammonium nitrate on site. They had previously told
authorities that they had nothing hazardous. They were required to file with
DHS if they have more than 400 pounds on site and only exceeded that
As a former HPR inspector I ask a lot questions. I get everything I need to
determine the hazards in a facility. I get criticized for asking too many
questions but I need to know what the protection requirements for the
hazardous areas. I am not a contractor but I work for contractors architects
OMG!
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Todd - Work
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 12:09 PM
To: sprinklerfo...@firesprinkler.org
Subject: West, TX explosion
From reading the latest
We have a brewery we are installing a sprinkler system in. What's your
opinions on an occupancy classification (No major flammable material.
Just beer fermenting in tanks)? In 13, ordinary group 1 calls out
beverage manufacturing and in ordinary group 2 calls out distilleries.
Engineer on the
Unfortunately,
As a Design/Build from a contractor's standpoint there is nothing there.
Contractor: You are building a 50'-0 high building. What are you putting
in there and how high
Owner/Developer: Nothing. We just plan on operating maybe an office and
storing some things that are in no way
Todd - your numbers aren't exactly right, but there are definitely going
to be some very compelling questions asked over the next few days and
weeks. The plant had 270 tons of ammonium nitrate; Federal law states
that you must make a declaration to Homeland Security if you keep over a
ton. The
Horrible fire near Moscow yesterday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/26/us-russia-fire-idUSBRE93P02P20
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Steve Leyton
PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING
2851 Camino del Rio South, Suite 400
San Diego, CA 92108
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Storage is the problem.
Finished bottled beer storage in cartons stacking?
Bags of grain storage and raw material for the process unless it is outside
storage bins.
Arthur Tiroly
ATCO Fire Protection Design
Tiroly and Associates
24400 Highland Rd rm 25, CLE 44143
216-621-8899
216-570-7030 Cell
Just to take some of the sinister connotation out of a facility storing 270
tons or ammonium nitrate (fertilizer), that is only enough to do a single
springtime application to about 900 acres of hay fields. Based on the amount of
farming in the midsection of the U S, I'm betting there are many,
Flammable and alcohol does burn. We have a couple distilleries and the
vodka/whiskey has had periodic fires from the alcohol. So group 2 would
work for me.
Norm
On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Justin Petcosky
jpetco...@petcosky-sons.com wrote:
We have a brewery we are installing a
No storage. That is in a separate area then what the engineer is
requesting to calc at ordinary group 2.
Justin Petcosky
Project Manager/Estimator
Petcosky and Sons
Plumbing, Heating, and Fire Protection
421 Commerce Rd.
Vestal, NY 13850
www.petcosky-sons.com
607-797-0160 Ext.105
If the engineer of record request OH Group II, why the discussion? The
liability is on the engineer.
John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE
Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated
5113 Berwyn Road
College Park, Maryland 20740
Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136
Mobile Telephone Number:
There are a couple of things to consider.
Many breweries use flavorings, most of which are stored as
Combustible/Flammable Liquids in plastic totes. Some also store proprietary
wood chips for a specific flavoring process. Raw packaging materials, such
as cardboard for the six pack sleeves, and
Beverage manufacturing NFPA #13 (2010 Edition) A.5.3.1 - Ordinary Hazard
Group I
Distilleries A.5.3.2 - Ordinary
Hazard Group II
Table A.5.6.3 tells you what the commodity classification is for Alcoholic
Beverages up to 20 percent
The other thing is
Breweries and distilleries are different in that the alcohol content of beer is
significantly less than distilled spirits. That being said, I did a brewery
last year and did it as OH2. There was a lot of uncertainty about what was
going where (storage excluded). OH2 is a safe bet and I wouldn't
Agree Todd. That's what we are going with. Thanks for all the input!
Justin Petcosky
Project Manager/Estimator
Petcosky and Sons
Plumbing, Heating, and Fire Protection
421 Commerce Rd.
Vestal, NY 13850
www.petcosky-sons.com
607-797-0160 Ext.105
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From:
It's not the amount but the seeming conspiracy or just plain negligent
behavior in not doing what is required when quantities reach certain
levels. One of my favorite examples would be storage of explosives. A very
nice chart about how far away from anything depending upon how much is
being stored
I'm not suggesting that they had sinister intentions, but I'll betcha a
dollar to a dime that we're gonna find out there were all manner of
violations and corners cut in their safety program. They were fined
$10,000 last summer for safety violations by the U.S. Pipeline and
Hazardous Materials
As I put on my tin foil hat,
Isn't a fire a great way to cover up the theft of a large amount of
Ammonium Nitrate?
Taking hat off, joining regular society
Maurice Marvi
From: Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.com
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 2:16 PM
Hasn't worked for reining in Big Pharma.
It's all relative and those boys work in billions, not millions
Just the cost of doing business.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 26, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Steve Leyton st...@protectiondesign.com wrote:
I'm not suggesting that they had sinister intentions, but
Steal 400 tons? Probably not.
Steal half a ton? maybe.
Tinfoil hat comes off.
From: George Church g...@rowesprinkler.com
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re:
Recent AHJ plan reviewer and inspector. As Arthur noted, prior to construction
or change of occupancy, or in his case preparation prior to traveling to do an
inspection, doing an Effective interview is a key activity of an AHJ . Being
the one segment of city organization that knows what is
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