I’d agree with Ed. It is likely quite a bit of conversation has already
occurred. The reviewer is already trying to get to minimum needed.
Best.
Bruce Verhei
> On Oct 24, 2019, at 21:44, Ed Vining via Sprinklerforum
> wrote:
>
> A talk with the AHJ would be better than headache later
> .
A talk with the AHJ would be better than headache later
.
Ed Vining
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Martinez CA 94553
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:07 PM Kaiser, Richard via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
> There is no conflict between the
There is no conflict between the documents.
The 2018 IFC commentary is indeed very explicit, but it does NOT say that the
allowable omission of sprinklers in certain areas negates the building as being
considered sprinklered throughout. In fact, it says the opposite.
From 2018 IFC with
In the 2018 IFC commentary the language is very explicit in that omission of
sprinklers no longer qualifies a building as being fully sprinklered and you
lose the ability to apply any allowances the code gives if the building was
fully sprinklered.
Installed throughout means installed
James,
From IBC 2018 commentary:
Section 202
DEFINITIONS
[F] AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEM. An automatic sprinkler system, for fire
protection purposes, is an integrated system of underground and overhead piping
designed in accordance with fire protection engineering standards. The system
I’ve also wrestled with this before but I don’t have the IBC commentary Craig
mentions in my notes, but see the following references…
IFC 2012
903.3.1.1 NFPA 13 sprinkler systems. Where the provisions of this code require
that a building or portion thereof be equipped throughout with an
Interesting. I don't have access to a copy of the Code and Commentary.
Would you be able to copy/paste the relevant section, or tell me where to
find it? I will try to get access to it.
Thanks.
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 12:35 PM Prahl, Craig/GVL
wrote:
> Nope, the omission of sprinklers by any
Nope, the omission of sprinklers by any means or allowances null and voids the
“sprinklered throughout” classification. That is addressed within the IBC
Commentary. Just had this discussion on a project myself.
It is the same if you substitute a clean agent for sprinklers in an area. No
I'm working on a manufacturing facility that is building type IIB. Per the
fire-flow requirement of 8,000 gpm, the average spacing of hydrants will
need to be 200 feet, per IFC Table C102.1. However, note f will allow a
50-percent spacing increase if "the building is equipped throughout with an
There were a few changes to the provisions in fire alarm section [Section 907]
in the 2018 edition of the IFC, [which South Carolina will be implementing on
January 1, 2020].
One of those [907.1.2 Fire Alarm Construction Documents] was a modification
that aligned requirements for fire alarm
Tony,
I would say only those considered Cultural Resources. I think section 1.1.1
kind of clarifies this.
Todd G Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860-535-2080 (ofc)
860-553-3553 (fax)
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>
> On Oct 24,
>
> NFPA 909: Protection of Cultural Resource Properties - Museums, Libraries
> and Places of Worship
My question is whether this code applies to all places of worship
(churches) or only to churches which are considered "Cultural Resource
Properties" ?
Thanks,
Tony
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