Cecil,
I received several responses outside the user group and that section was
pointed out to me. And it was noted in my response to the AHJ.
Thank you
John Irwin
West Coast Branch Manager
Quick Response Fire Protection
727-282-9243
Typed on tiny keys, just for you. Please forgive spelling
John,
I am very surprised that no one has pointed you to our newest changes to the
testing of modifications on existing systems. Take a look at the newly
numbered Chapter 29.
The Committee debated this for a long time. The argument that won the day came
from AFSA's rep (and former AFSA
Ron’s proposal is appropriate if AHJ driving hydro is other than a fire
marshal’s office. If you’ve bought a 1970 building, there are no current
tenants with property to damage, assuring current condition might be a good
idea. Unless single new taps are supplying the code minimum number of
Craig brings up an interesting thought. Perhaps a requirement to do a hydro
before a job of this magnitude is embarked upon would shift the onus from
contractor to owner, it then being HIS responsibility to correct HIS
existing system before the contractor modifies it. The likelihood of a leak
on
Exactly. That statement should be made in your bid under Exceptions and
Clarifications. No responsibility or liability related to leaks in existing
systems if 200 psi pressure test is required.
Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 |
craig.pr...@jacobs.com |
Have the customer sign off saying if any pipe from the old system leaks,
they are responsible to cover the cost of any damage that might occur. We
come across this issue quite often.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020, 12:13 PM Ken Wagoner via Sprinklerforum <
sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote:
>
Did you ask if they would accept an air test?
Richard M. Carr, SET
Project Manager/Design
Diboco Fire Sprinklers, Inc.
325 Jackson Loop Road
Flat Rock, NC 28731
rich...@diboco.com
828-696-3400
828-696-2288 Fax
828-708-9118 Mobile
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Sometimes it's not about how good of a job your fitters did but the unknown age
and condition of the existing system piping you're tying into. There are times
when a 200 psi test is all it takes to open up pinholes and create leaks. Now
the owner looks at you as being responsible and you're
I would think 25.2.1.4., 25.2.1.4.1 and 25.2.1.4.2 of NFPA 13 - 2016 would
apply.
Bobby Gillett
Seago Fire Protection, LLC
850-836-2288 Office
850-217-3899 cell
850-836-2277 fax
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Agreed.
Book is clear. If you cannot isolate, then it is 2 hours at city pressure.
Unless they have amended locally.
You will probably need to push this one back or get legal documents out the
wazoo..
I wouldn't 200 pound the existing.
R/
Matt
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I respectfully disagree, Jim.
While I'm confident that John's installers are competent and will do a
good job, I have to observe that unless John's company did the original
install, they're putting their liability at serious risk for work which
they have no control over.
It all comes down
I could not disagree with you more. And I am certain my insurance agent would
side with me. I am not the least bit worried about my little pieces of 1” sched
40 and cast iron fittings letting go. I am not so certain about the 20 year old
4” main running over the top of a newly upgraded
John, you have probably spent more time and effort fighting this issue versus
just doing a test. 200 add and relocates is a lot and I would think you should
put a test on it even if it is not code required (which I believe it is) for
your benefit and warranty. If your guys did a good job, a
I included this reference in my response. From 4 different editions of 13. As
well as a half dozen informal interpretations from AFSA and explanatory
comments from the handbook.
John Irwin
West Coast Branch Manager
Quick Response Fire Protection
727-282-9243
Typed on tiny keys, just for you.
I would be arguing the point of 25.2.1.4.2 of NFPA 13 2016
How are you isolating relocated drops?
Mark Phillips
Branch Manager
Fire Sprinkler Design, Install, Inspections
Service, Backflows, Fire Alarm Inspections
832-101 Purser Drive
Raleigh NC 27603
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