Is this is a storage area or part of a processing area, different hazards are
present depending on specifics.
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Anyone know the commodity classification for peat? Or the classification
that had been used on a previous project?
Thanks, in advance.
Tony
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That's what we are going through at the moment... I believe there are only 3-5
of these in the building, nothing crazy.
Ron, there are two 5 foot cubes. The one on top is filled with the liquid, the
bottom one is empty (used a spill containment container)
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Did I miss something? I thought you said 5 groups of 5x5x5 cubes stacked 2
high. That's only 125 sqft. Wouldn't it be cheaper to make a separate
space, either with two hour walls or to just extend the coverage beyond the
area with the higher demand as per NFPA. The solution seems so obvious and
The liquid is a corrosive, non-issue from our perspective.
I would wager they don't have adequate secondary containment or spill control
within the room where these are stored which is why they're using these IBC
containment units.
I'd be curious how many totes do they store in this area? If
I'm not sure if attachments are allowed, if yes this is the situation...
I believe the liquid is classified as a low commodity, leaving the plastic
containers as the driving force... ok, I'm on board with this.
We are trying to reduce the overall plastic height or commodity
classification...
You don't have 5 ft of commodity. The liquid within the tote is irrelevant to
the hazard. You essentially have a plastic hazard that is 10 ft in height.
Now, there are some schools of thought that derate the level of hazard due to
the liquid acting as a heat sink and thereby providing a
Yeah, but the commodity is really the plastic container, right?
Is the open-top container/tote still an issue from code standpoint if it's only
ever on the lowest level? I thought the real problem with open-top containers
that catch water was when they are above ground level. In this case, the
Thank you everyone who replied, it appears it's not as clear cut as one would
think lol.
The plastic tote below does have a solid top, but I would assume there would be
opening in the cover to allow any spillage or leaks to fall into the vessel.
And allow any sprinkler water to fill the
Is the spill container open top? That will be an issue. These sound like
plastic totes. If the liquid is not combustible the empty tote is still a
lot of plastic
Art
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Totally agree. Just checking.
Scott
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I would be addressing this as plastic storage since the liquid is a
non-flammable/combustible liquid and there is the presence of empty plastic
containers.
Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME - Fire Protection |
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It's a non flammable, non combustible liquid. Sodium hydroxide 10 N
The storage container and empty vessel are one time use only. There would be no
cleaning of containers for use again.
Hope this helps.
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You didn't mention what the liquid is. If it is a hazardous material as
recognized by the International Fire Code then the 'empty' container is still
considered full unless completely cleaned.
Scott
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It should be 10 feet even though the other container is empty it's still
plastic.
Mike
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Good morning all,
We have a storage situation where the liquid commodity is in a 5 foot plastic
storage cube, with an equally sized empty plastic container below.
The empty container below is only there to act as a spill collection vessel.
The question our office has been banging around,
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