RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct
Thank you Michael, that's music to my ears. We started drawing sprinkler plans in Revit six years ago because that's what our clients wanted and what their clients were demanding. Since that time, the amount of effort that we expend in the construction administration phase of our projects has been reduced by at least a third, perhaps by half. The fact is that BIM -not pretend NavisWorks BIM - but real parametric 3D drafting and coordination, does work and sometimes it works really well. Nothing's perfect, design and construction will never be fully in sync, but it's profoundly better. The fact that the fire sprinkler trade has mostly dismissed BIM as being of value is my bread and butter. Party on Garth... Steve Leyton (Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.) Original message From: Michael Goodis via Sprinklerforum Date: 1/15/20 10:51 AM (GMT-06:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Michael Goodis , "'Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G'" Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Bim modeling, that’s funny. Never seen it work yet…. Only thing its been god for is (your duct is in the way, we see you cant move, the model is wrong, let now reroute due to the conflict, oh and wait, its not a CO because this should have been caught during the bim modeling.) Great stuff with the GC’s pushing it off to try and cut the change orders out. Gotta love it. Michael Goodis Salesman, Project Manager IL#000635 NICET#135586 Key Fire Protection Enterprises LLC 3200 Mike Padgett HWY Augusta, GA 30906 Office- (706) 790-3473 Cell- (706) 220-8822 Fax: (706) 738-2119 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. [MFP_logo_F]<http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 tm...@mfpdesign.com<mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> www.mfpdesign.com<http://www.mfpdesign.com> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com>>; Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>>; David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com>>; Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com>>; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com<mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>>; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com<mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com>; Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com>>; David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail
Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct
Michael it sounds like you need to find some better GCs to work with then On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 11:51 AM Michael Goodis via Sprinklerforum < sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > Bim modeling, that’s funny. Never seen it work yet…. Only thing its been > god for is (your duct is in the way, we see you cant move, the model is > wrong, let now reroute due to the conflict, oh and wait, its not a CO > because this should have been caught during the bim modeling.) > > > > Great stuff with the GC’s pushing it off to try and cut the change orders > out. Gotta love it. > > > > > > *Michael Goodis * > > *Salesman, Project Manager* > > *IL#000635 NICET#135586* > > *Key Fire Protection Enterprises LLC* > > *3200 Mike Padgett HWY > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3200+Mike+Padgett+HWY+Augusta,+GA+30906+Office-+(706?entry=gmail=g>* > > *Augusta, GA 30906 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3200+Mike+Padgett+HWY+Augusta,+GA+30906+Office-+(706?entry=gmail=g>* > > *Office- (706 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3200+Mike+Padgett+HWY+Augusta,+GA+30906+Office-+(706?entry=gmail=g>) > 790-3473* > > *Cell- (706) 220-8822* > > *Fax: (706) 738-2119* > > > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum *On > Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:44 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Cc:* Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > > > *Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with > anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems > to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue > at all, but now it is.* > > > > [image: MFP_logo_F] <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > MFP Design, LLC > > 3356 E Vallejo Ct > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3356+E+Vallejo+Ct+Gilbert,+AZ+85298?entry=gmail=g> > > Gilbert, AZ 85298 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/3356+E+Vallejo+Ct+Gilbert,+AZ+85298?entry=gmail=g> > > NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 > > fax: 866-430-6107 > > tm...@mfpdesign.com > > www.mfpdesign.com > > > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> > > > > *“**The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of > low price is forgotten.”* > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum *On > Behalf Of *Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Cc:* Prahl, Craig/GVL ; Travis Mack < > tm...@mfpdesign.com>; David Bohannon ; Matthew J > Willis ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com > *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > > > Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your > problem? > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > > 1041 East Butler Road > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail=g> > Greenville, South Carolina > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail=g> > 29606 > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1041+East+Butler+Road+Greenville,+South+Carolina+29606?entry=gmail=g> > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum *On > Behalf Of *Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Cc:* Travis Mack ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com; > Matthew J Willis ; David Bohannon < > rdbohan...@aol.com> > *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > > > Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically > move. > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > 480-505-9271 x700 > > MFP Design, LLC > > www.mfpdesign,com > > Send large files to MFP D
RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct
The only reference to clearance is for structural members NFPA 13 – 2016 edition: 9.3.4.9 The installed horizontal and upward vertical clearance between horizontal sprinkler piping and structural members not penetrated or used, collectively or independently, to support the piping shall be at least 2 in. (50 mm). If it were a branch-line with sprinklers then per NFPA 13 -2016 edition: 9.3.4.11* The installed clearance between a sprinkler and structural elements not used collectively or independently to support the sprinklers shall be at least 3 in. (75 mm). Nothing referencing Mechanical that I know of. Anthony Carrizosa Project Manager | Fire Protection 7855 S 206th St Kent, WA 98032 Cell: 206-679-5283 | Office: 253-872-7222 <https://archerconstruction.com/> https://archerconstruction.com From: Prahl, Craig/GVL Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Well, when I’ve gotten that “it’s in the code” response from an AHJ and I am pretty certain it is not, I respectfully request them to please provide me with the code reference so I can present it as part of my Change Notice to the GC for design modifications which cannot be made until such code reference is received and the change is approved. This way I’m not challenging them, but seeking their assistance. When they can’t produce any reference, the issue goes away. I copy key people on the project so that they are aware of the issue. It’s just a more diplomatic way of saying “prove it”. The fact is that most AHJ types or reviewers only review the drawings associated with their specific area of responsibility. They do not care about coordination, that’s part of the responsibility of the design professional. So they would most likely never pick up on something like this during permit reviews. Ain’t this fun? “I need you to move your 8” system main, I’ve got a ½” water line that needs to get through.” Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | <mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> craig.pr...@jacobs.com | <http://www.jacobs.com/> www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.mfpdesign.com/__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8XzAYnzSg$> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.mfpdesign.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8WzVSu4mQ$> Send large files to us via: <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.hightail.com*2Fu*2FMFPDesign=02*7C01*7C*7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77*7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511*7C0*7C0*7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5*2BAZvlHhABSexWY*3D=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8VaBc3Www$> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.linkedin.com*2Fin*2Ftravismack=02*7C01*7C*7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77*7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511*7C0*7C0*7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN*2BZodi*2FhbeCbHNRijI*3D=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8XHIcau2Q$> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> >; Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> >; David Bohannon
RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct
Michael, LOL! The best thing about BIM modeling is the extra money it generates. Once out in the field the plumbers, HVAC, and sparky’s all act like they’ve never heard of such a beast, but that’s only because sprinklers guys are all pure as the driven snow. Thank you, Bob Knight, CET III Fire by Knight, LLC 208-318-3057 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Michael Goodis via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:52 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Michael Goodis; 'Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G' Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Bim modeling, that’s funny. Never seen it work yet…. Only thing its been god for is (your duct is in the way, we see you cant move, the model is wrong, let now reroute due to the conflict, oh and wait, its not a CO because this should have been caught during the bim modeling.) Great stuff with the GC’s pushing it off to try and cut the change orders out. Gotta love it. Michael Goodis Salesman, Project Manager IL#000635 NICET#135586 Key Fire Protection Enterprises LLC 3200 Mike Padgett HWY Augusta, GA 30906 Office- (706) 790-3473 Cell- (706) 220-8822 Fax: (706) 738-2119 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> MFP_logo_F Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com Send large files to us via: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL ; Travis Mack ; David Bohannon ; Matthew J Willis ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | <mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> craig.pr...@jacobs.com | <http://www.jacobs.com/> www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com; Matthew J Willis ; David Bohannon Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona4GLVqxWQ$> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum wrote: Hahahahaha From: David Bohannon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matthew J Willis ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mail.mobile.aol.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona7NH3VpRw$> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum wrote: I am una
RE: Pipe adjacent to duct
Bob: I believe that is in Section 9.3 which is the seismic section. This job is Seismic Design Category B, so 9.3 doesn’t apply. <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com Send large files to us via: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Bob Knight via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:02 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Bob Knight Subject: RE: Pipe adjacent to duct Travis, The only thing I can think of is where there is to be a 2” clearance to structural that isn’t supporting piping. The AHJ could be confused as to what is structural and what isn’t. Thank you, Bob Knight, CET III Fire by Knight, LLC 208-318-3057 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:54 AM To: mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Cc: Travis Mack Subject: Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com <http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Pipe adjacent to duct
Travis, The only thing I can think of is where there is to be a 2” clearance to structural that isn’t supporting piping. The AHJ could be confused as to what is structural and what isn’t. Thank you, Bob Knight, CET III Fire by Knight, LLC 208-318-3057 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:54 AM To: Cc: Travis Mack Subject: Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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Well, when I’ve gotten that “it’s in the code” response from an AHJ and I am pretty certain it is not, I respectfully request them to please provide me with the code reference so I can present it as part of my Change Notice to the GC for design modifications which cannot be made until such code reference is received and the change is approved. This way I’m not challenging them, but seeking their assistance. When they can’t produce any reference, the issue goes away. I copy key people on the project so that they are aware of the issue. It’s just a more diplomatic way of saying “prove it”. The fact is that most AHJ types or reviewers only review the drawings associated with their specific area of responsibility. They do not care about coordination, that’s part of the responsibility of the design professional. So they would most likely never pick up on something like this during permit reviews. Ain’t this fun? “I need you to move your 8” system main, I’ve got a ½” water line that needs to get through.” Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. [MFP_logo_F]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.mfpdesign.com/__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8XzAYnzSg$> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 tm...@mfpdesign.com<mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> www.mfpdesign.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.mfpdesign.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8WzVSu4mQ$> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.hightail.com*2Fu*2FMFPDesign=02*7C01*7C*7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77*7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511*7C0*7C0*7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5*2BAZvlHhABSexWY*3D=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8VaBc3Www$> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fwww.linkedin.com*2Fin*2Ftravismack=02*7C01*7C*7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77*7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511*7C0*7C0*7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN*2BZodi*2FhbeCbHNRijI*3D=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!SYGlq52zxPFHvfw4LVunwooDhKL-TrLct9Q-XaSad4uj6L61mxK7neezT8XHIcau2Q$> “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com>>; Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>>; David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com>>; Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com>>; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com<mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>>; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com<mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com>; Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com>>; David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<https://u
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Bim modeling, that’s funny. Never seen it work yet…. Only thing its been god for is (your duct is in the way, we see you cant move, the model is wrong, let now reroute due to the conflict, oh and wait, its not a CO because this should have been caught during the bim modeling.) Great stuff with the GC’s pushing it off to try and cut the change orders out. Gotta love it. Michael Goodis Salesman, Project Manager IL#000635 NICET#135586 Key Fire Protection Enterprises LLC 3200 Mike Padgett HWY Augusta, GA 30906 Office- (706) 790-3473 Cell- (706) 220-8822 Fax: (706) 738-2119 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:44 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com <http://www.mfpdesign.com> Send large files to us via: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> >; Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> >; David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com> >; Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com> >; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com <mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | <mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> craig.pr...@jacobs.com | <http://www.jacobs.com/> www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> >; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com <mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> ; Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com> >; David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com <http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona4GLVqxWQ$> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > wrote: Hahahahaha From: David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com> >; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com <mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http
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Exactly. It’s all up in the air. It was a BIM job and not an issue with anyone during coordination. Now it’s all up in the air installed and seems to be an issue. You can’t win some days. Plus, it shouldn’t be an issue at all, but now it is. <http://www.mfpdesign.com/> Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET MFP Design, LLC 3356 E Vallejo Ct Gilbert, AZ 85298 NEW EXTENSION: 480-505-9271 ext. 700 fax: 866-430-6107 <mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> tm...@mfpdesign.com www.mfpdesign.com Send large files to us via: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign LinkedIn: <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linkedin.com%2Fin%2Ftravismack=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180=tT5E7LsZjSmyreKi4gDCa70EWN%2BZodi%2FhbeCbHNRijI%3D=0> https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.” From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Prahl, Craig/GVL ; Travis Mack ; David Bohannon ; Matthew J Willis ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | <mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> craig.pr...@jacobs.com | <http://www.jacobs.com/> www.jacobs.com 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com> >; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com <mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> ; Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com> >; David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com <http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona4GLVqxWQ$> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > wrote: Hahahahaha From: David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com> >; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com <mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mail.mobile.aol.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona7NH3VpRw$> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > wrote: I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, P.E. Vice President Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association 301.343.1457 - Mobile From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:00 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Educate him. Use your charm. R/ Matt From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign
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Well it’s only a click of the mouse and it’s moved, so what’s your problem? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:34 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com; Matthew J Willis ; David Bohannon Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona4GLVqxWQ$> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: Hahahahaha From: David Bohannon mailto:rdbohan...@aol.com>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com>>; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com<mailto:jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/mail.mobile.aol.com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona7NH3VpRw$> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, P.E. Vice President Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association 301.343.1457 - Mobile From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:00 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com>> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Educate him. Use your charm. R/ Matt From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>>; Prahl, Craig/GVL mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct No seismic. No insulation. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.mfpdesign,com__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona7aUKCG7Q$> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!Tdw2ycxMiEifeqPnNsaU3pOz4u4u_cZUe_St-0mFZXtsxNpCFWlsOvaona4GLVqxWQ$> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP pipe? When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet metal? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is
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Lol. That’s too funny. Everyone thinks fire sprinkler can just magically move. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:23 AM, Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > > Hahahahaha > > > > > From: David Bohannon > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Matthew J Willis ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the > duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > > > John August Denhardt, P.E. > > Vice President Engineering and Technical Services > > American Fire Sprinkler Association > > 301.343.1457 - Mobile > > > > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:00 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Matthew J Willis > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > > > Educate him. > > > > Use your charm. > > > > R/ > > Matt > > > > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Travis Mack ; Prahl, Craig/GVL > > Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > > > No seismic. No insulation. > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > 480-505-9271 x700 > > MFP Design, LLC > > www.mfpdesign,com > > Send large files to MFP Design via: > > https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > > > Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the > FP pipe? > > > > When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet > metal? > > > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > > > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM > To: > > Cc: Travis Mack > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > > > We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler > main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from > the ductwork. > > > > Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for > a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. > > > > Has anyone run into something similar? > > > > Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to > convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the > mill, HVAC system. > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > > 480-505-9271 x700 > > MFP Design, LLC > > www.mfpdesign,com > > Send large files to MFP Design via: > > https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged > information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, > copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended > recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in > error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting > it from your computer. > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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Hahahahaha From: David Bohannon Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matthew J Willis ; jdenha...@stricklandfire.com Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com<http://mail.mobile.aol.com> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020, John Denhardt via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, P.E. Vice President Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association 301.343.1457 - Mobile From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:00 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Matthew J Willis mailto:ma...@rapidfireinc.com>> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Educate him. Use your charm. R/ Matt From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>>; Prahl, Craig/GVL mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct No seismic. No insulation. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP pipe? When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet metal? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!VcjF30iEaFuEx1cvHWPEx0GwlCXjsi62_q06GNj_cf6hxAEmmhx_JZyYbSEuPjBOcw$> Sent from my iPhone NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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Just a question. If the duct is to close to the fire main why wouldn’t the duct
have to move? Isn’t life safety more important than climate comfort?
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I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position.
Thanks,
John
John August Denhardt, P.E.
Vice President Engineering and Technical Services
American Fire Sprinkler Association
301.343.1457 - Mobile
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Educate him.
Use your charm.
R/
Matt
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct
No seismic. No insulation.
Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
480-505-9271 x700
MFP Design, LLC
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On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum
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Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP
pipe?
When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet
metal?
Craig Prahl|Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 |
craig.pr...@jacobs.com|www.jacobs.com
1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606
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Cc: Travis Mack
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct
We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler
main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the
ductwork.
Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a
reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork.
Has anyone run into something similar?
Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert
the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC
system.
Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET
480-505-9271 x700
MFP Design, LLC
www.mfpdesign,com
Send large files to MFP Design via:
https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign
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I am unaware of any language that would support the fire inspector’s position. Thanks, John John August Denhardt, P.E. Vice President Engineering and Technical Services American Fire Sprinkler Association 301.343.1457 - Mobile From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Matthew J Willis via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:00 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Matthew J Willis Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct Educate him. Use your charm. R/ Matt From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>>; Prahl, Craig/GVL mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com>> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct No seismic. No insulation. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP pipe? When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet metal? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!VcjF30iEaFuEx1cvHWPEx0GwlCXjsi62_q06GNj_cf6hxAEmmhx_JZyYbSEuPjBOcw$> Sent from my iPhone NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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Educate him. Use your charm. R/ Matt From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:16 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Travis Mack ; Prahl, Craig/GVL Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct No seismic. No insulation. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> wrote: Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP pipe? When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet metal? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!VcjF30iEaFuEx1cvHWPEx0GwlCXjsi62_q06GNj_cf6hxAEmmhx_JZyYbSEuPjBOcw$> Sent from my iPhone NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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No seismic. No insulation. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Prahl, Craig/GVL via Sprinklerforum > wrote: > > > Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the > FP pipe? > > When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet > metal? > > Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | > craig.pr...@jacobs.com | www.jacobs.com > 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 > > From: Sprinklerforum On > Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM > To: > > Cc: Travis Mack > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct > > We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler > main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from > the ductwork. > > Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for > a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. > > Has anyone run into something similar? > > Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to > convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the > mill, HVAC system. > > Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET > 480-505-9271 x700 > MFP Design, LLC > www.mfpdesign,com > Send large files to MFP Design via: > https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > > Sent from my iPhone > > > NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged > information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, > copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended > recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in > error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting > it from your computer. > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct
Could it be related to seismic movement of unrestrained ductwork against the FP pipe? When you say ductwork, is that ½” between pipe and insulation or actual sheet metal? Craig Prahl | Jacobs | Group Lead/SME – Fire Protection | 864.676.5252 | craig.pr...@jacobs.com<mailto:craig.pr...@jacobs.com> | www.jacobs.com<http://www.jacobs.com/> 1041 East Butler Road Greenville, South Carolina 29606 From: Sprinklerforum mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>> On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>> Cc: Travis Mack mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com<http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign__;!!B5cixuoO7ltTeg!VcjF30iEaFuEx1cvHWPEx0GwlCXjsi62_q06GNj_cf6hxAEmmhx_JZyYbSEuPjBOcw$> Sent from my iPhone NOTICE - This communication may contain confidential and privileged information that is for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any viewing, copying or distribution of, or reliance on this message by unintended recipients is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Pipe adjacent to duct
I’ve never seen anything but we have had inspector’s misinterpret the prohibition for supporting anything from sprinkler pipe to mean touching…never seen this one though. Greg McGahan Genesis Fire Services, LLC o-850-637-8535 From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:54 AM To: Cc: Travis Mack Subject: Pipe adjacent to duct We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com <http://www.mfpdesign,com> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Pipe adjacent to duct
We have a project where the fire inspector is stating that the fire sprinkler main is too close to ductwork. There is a 6” main that is about 1/2” from the ductwork. Of course, the inspectors response is “it’s in the code book” when asking for a reference that mandates clearance to hvac ductwork. Has anyone run into something similar? Note: this is not a high temp duct that would cause for enough heat to convert the sprinkler water to steam. This is just your standard, run of the mill, HVAC system. Travis Mack, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G, SET 480-505-9271 x700 MFP Design, LLC www.mfpdesign,com Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign Sent from my iPhone___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
