RE: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Steve Leyton
That’s fine, there’s a statutory requirement. Out here, any stage-like structure – even if it’s just a platform in a school or community MPR is considered OH2 if it’s got a curtain. I get that, but that wasn’t the question. As to your warehouse with no ignition sources, good luck moving the

RE: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Matthew J Willis
Isn’t it amazing how quick we go from LH to Storage occupancy. The basis for the answer is going to be heat release. That is the only other thing than height to be concerned with. The fact that they become storage rooms in the summer is good due diligence, but outside our purview. R/ Matt

RE: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Steve Leyton
What about hoarders? I’ve seen homes (or photos of them) that should be EH2. This thread started as a question about a wrestling room and quickly escalated to mats on the floor, mats on the walls, mats rolled up and stored in the room, in the adjacent room … it became an accessory occupancy

RE: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Reed A. Roisum, SET
FYI… The State of Minnesota believes that wrestling rooms and gymnastic rooms are not light hazard as they amended the fire code (2012 IFC) to require OH2 for those spaces. 2015 MN Fire Code SECTION 903 AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS 903.3 Installation requirements. 903.3.1 Standards. 903.3.1.5

Re: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Fpdcdesign
If we see or are aware of a hazard greater than what the book says it should be, don’t we have the responsibility to design to that? This is especially true for me with those 2 extra letters after my name. Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting

RE: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Of course. But your question presupposes (and some of the narrative on this thread alludes to) scenarios where mats on the walls, stored to the ceilings, scattered about in adjacent rooms, etc., etc. Original Question: Does anyone have any information supporting high school wrestling,

Re: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Joe Burtell
I'm not saying to regulate at a local level, it should be done by UL, FM, IBC, IFC, etc... We didn't have this toxic stuff we have today 50 years ago. Best regards, *Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS* [image: Burtell Fire_Small] Phone | Fax | Mobile| Text *406-545-0784 <++1-406-545-0784>* 116 N. 11th

Re: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Bruce Verhei
The IFC doesn’t mean much until you put an inspector in the field. > On Oct 26, 2018, at 18:56, Joe Burtell wrote: > > I'm not saying to regulate at a local level, it should be done by UL, FM, > IBC, IFC, etc... We didn't have this toxic stuff we have today 50 years ago. > Best regards, > >

Re: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Bruce Verhei
I don’t know what density is required. I’m still listening. I can tell you from the fire marshals office perspective trying to regulate type of foam and cover would be an exercise in futility. Best. Bruce Verhei > On Oct 26, 2018, at 14:41, Joe Burtell wrote: > > If we go around basing

Re: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Joe Burtell
If we go around basing everything on potential what if's and more often than not, a rare situation, we are going to have more and more expensive systems which keep adding to why owners do not want them in the first place. Unless someone can show some fire testing or data the wrestling rooms are a

Re: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Nick Maneen
My $0.025 worth of opinion...if you have a modest water supply, say 60psi static, that first head isn't going to flow at the 19.6 (14x14 @0.1 density) minimum. It is going to go off at 43 gpm (sounds EH to me), then the second goes off, then the third...We calc for a minimum required, not an

Re: High School Weight Room

2018-10-26 Thread Fpdcdesign
Steve, I think the gist of this is intended use vs actual use. One layer of floor mats is not that big a deal. A 7 ft stack of mats in a room during the summer is. I have seen a lot of stuff in school athletic facilities moved around and and stored to the point where LH is not