RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-09 Thread Kyle . Montgomery 
There is actually some sense to this. Not because of the color, but just to 
make sure the ordinary temp heads don’t end up in the wrong location.

It’s no fun when you get a call from the fitter as he get near the top of a 
high-rise apartment that goes something like this: “I need to order more 
ordinary temp heads. For some reason, we only have intermediate temp for the 
last three floors.” And you know that you ordered the right amount of each…

-Kyle M

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Behalf Of Shawn Foor
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 7:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

I have had an architect and ahjs ask for intermediate temp head throughout so 
there wouldn’t be two different color bulbs

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 08:43 Kyle.Montgomery 
mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com>> wrote:
Depends on how you read that table (6.2.5.1). The way I read it, says that you 
can only use ordinary temp heads if your maximum ceiling temperature is 100 
degrees or less.

And you can only use intermediate temperature heads if your maximum ceiling 
temperature is 150 degrees or less.

But it doesn’t say you can only use intermediate temp heads if your maximum 
temperature is between 100 and 150 degrees. If the maximum ceiling temperature 
is 85 degrees, that is still less than 150 degrees, so intermediate is OK.

I think a lot of people interpreted it incorrectly to mean you could ONLY use 
intermediate temperature if the max ceiling temp was above 100 degrees, which 
is why they added the language in 8.3.2.1.

Think about the fact that we can use high-temp heads in ordinary and extra 
hazard occupancies. Except during a fire, these areas probably aren’t seeing 
temperatures over 150 degrees, right?

But that still doesn’t totally solve the original poster’s problem, since he 
has to work off of table 8.3.2.5( c ) for residential heads, although it allows 
him to get a little closer.

-Kyle M

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sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org<mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Are you allowed to use intermediate sprinklers everywhere? In 13 Section 
8.3.2.1 seems to interchange the use of intermediate and ordinary, but table 
6.2.5.1 indicates that if the maximum ceiling temperature does not exceed 100° 
Ordinary sprinklers are to be used.

I know this is a gray area we take advantage of to ensure our fitters don’t 
have to look at what they’re installing, but is it technically in compliance 
with code?


B.J. Newlin
Service Sales
Aegis Fire Protection LLC.

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is forgotten. “--Benjamin Franklin

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Subject: Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity won't 
matter.

Ron F

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery 
mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com>> wrote:
What Steve said.

Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max outlet 
temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a furnace, there is 
a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical designer/contractor should be able 
to answer the question.

-Kyle M

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.



Steve Leyton

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Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00)
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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

Reads

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24”

What is the temp of “Hot Air”?

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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-09 Thread Matt Grise 
Once upon a time we were going to go with intermediate temp only in order to 
simplify things. We had a lot of procurement trouble. There are not a lot of 
intermediate temperature heads on the shelf in the supply houses around us. If 
you do go all-intermediate, be sure to order  your heads early.

Matt


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Of Shawn Foor
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2018 8:51 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

I have had an architect and ahjs ask for intermediate temp head throughout so 
there wouldn’t be two different color bulbs

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 08:43 Kyle.Montgomery 
mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com>> wrote:
Depends on how you read that table (6.2.5.1). The way I read it, says that you 
can only use ordinary temp heads if your maximum ceiling temperature is 100 
degrees or less.

And you can only use intermediate temperature heads if your maximum ceiling 
temperature is 150 degrees or less.

But it doesn’t say you can only use intermediate temp heads if your maximum 
temperature is between 100 and 150 degrees. If the maximum ceiling temperature 
is 85 degrees, that is still less than 150 degrees, so intermediate is OK.

I think a lot of people interpreted it incorrectly to mean you could ONLY use 
intermediate temperature if the max ceiling temp was above 100 degrees, which 
is why they added the language in 8.3.2.1.

Think about the fact that we can use high-temp heads in ordinary and extra 
hazard occupancies. Except during a fire, these areas probably aren’t seeing 
temperatures over 150 degrees, right?

But that still doesn’t totally solve the original poster’s problem, since he 
has to work off of table 8.3.2.5( c ) for residential heads, although it allows 
him to get a little closer.

-Kyle M

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Are you allowed to use intermediate sprinklers everywhere? In 13 Section 
8.3.2.1 seems to interchange the use of intermediate and ordinary, but table 
6.2.5.1 indicates that if the maximum ceiling temperature does not exceed 100° 
Ordinary sprinklers are to be used.

I know this is a gray area we take advantage of to ensure our fitters don’t 
have to look at what they’re installing, but is it technically in compliance 
with code?


B.J. Newlin
Service Sales
Aegis Fire Protection LLC.

“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price 
is forgotten. “--Benjamin Franklin

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Subject: Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity won't 
matter.

Ron F

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery 
mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com>> wrote:
What Steve said.

Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max outlet 
temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a furnace, there is 
a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical designer/contractor should be able 
to answer the question.

-Kyle M

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.



Steve Leyton

(Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.)



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Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00)
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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

Reads

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24”

What is the temp of “Hot Air”?

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Millennium Fire Protection Corp.
2950 San Luis Rey Rd.
Oceanside, CA 92058
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Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-09 Thread Shawn Foor 
I have had an architect and ahjs ask for intermediate temp head throughout
so there wouldn’t be two different color bulbs

On Fri, Nov 9, 2018 at 08:43 Kyle.Montgomery 
wrote:

> Depends on how you read that table (6.2.5.1). The way I read it, says that
> you can only use ordinary temp heads if your maximum ceiling temperature is
> 100 degrees or less.
>
>
>
> And you can only use intermediate temperature heads if your maximum
> ceiling temperature is 150 degrees or less.
>
>
>
> But it doesn’t say you can only use intermediate temp heads if your
> maximum temperature is between 100 and 150 degrees. If the maximum ceiling
> temperature is 85 degrees, that is still less than 150 degrees, so
> intermediate is OK.
>
>
>
> I think a lot of people interpreted it incorrectly to mean you could ONLY
> use intermediate temperature if the max ceiling temp was above 100 degrees,
> which is why they added the language in 8.3.2.1.
>
>
>
> Think about the fact that we can use high-temp heads in ordinary and extra
> hazard occupancies. Except during a fire, these areas probably aren’t
> seeing temperatures over 150 degrees, right?
>
>
>
> But that still doesn’t totally solve the original poster’s problem, since
> he has to work off of table 8.3.2.5( c ) for residential heads, although it
> allows him to get a little closer.
>
>
>
> -Kyle M
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *BJ Newlin
> *Sent:* Friday, November 9, 2018 6:44 AM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers
>
>
>
> Are you allowed to use intermediate sprinklers everywhere? In 13 Section
> 8.3.2.1 seems to interchange the use of intermediate and ordinary, but
> table 6.2.5.1 indicates that if the maximum ceiling temperature does not
> exceed 100° Ordinary sprinklers are to be used.
>
>
>
> I know this is a gray area we take advantage of to ensure our fitters
> don’t have to look at what they’re installing, but is it technically in
> compliance with code?
>
>
>
>
>
> *B.J. Newlin*
>
> Service Sales
>
> Aegis Fire Protection LLC.
>
>
>
> “The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low
> price is forgotten. “--Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum  *On
> Behalf Of *ron fletcher
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 2:56 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers
>
>
>
> Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity
> won't matter.
>
>
>
> Ron F
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery 
> wrote:
>
> What Steve said.
>
>
>
> Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max
> outlet temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a
> furnace, there is a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical
> designer/contractor should be able to answer the question.
>
>
>
> -Kyle M
>
>
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Leyton
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:20 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers
>
>
>
> Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Steve Leyton
>
>
>
> (Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Jerry Van Kolken 
>
> Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00)
>
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>
> Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers
>
>
>
> NFPA 13-*2016 Table* 8.3.2.5 (c)
>
>
>
> Reads
>
>
>
> Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  *Minimum Distance from
> Edge of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24” *
>
>
>
> What is the temp of “Hot Air”?
>
>
>
> Jerry Van Kolken
>
> *Millennium Fire Protection Corp.*
>
> 2950 San Luis Rey Rd.
>
> Oceanside, CA 92058
>
> (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730
>
>
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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-09 Thread Kyle . Montgomery 
Depends on how you read that table (6.2.5.1). The way I read it, says that you 
can only use ordinary temp heads if your maximum ceiling temperature is 100 
degrees or less.

And you can only use intermediate temperature heads if your maximum ceiling 
temperature is 150 degrees or less.

But it doesn’t say you can only use intermediate temp heads if your maximum 
temperature is between 100 and 150 degrees. If the maximum ceiling temperature 
is 85 degrees, that is still less than 150 degrees, so intermediate is OK.

I think a lot of people interpreted it incorrectly to mean you could ONLY use 
intermediate temperature if the max ceiling temp was above 100 degrees, which 
is why they added the language in 8.3.2.1.

Think about the fact that we can use high-temp heads in ordinary and extra 
hazard occupancies. Except during a fire, these areas probably aren’t seeing 
temperatures over 150 degrees, right?

But that still doesn’t totally solve the original poster’s problem, since he 
has to work off of table 8.3.2.5( c ) for residential heads, although it allows 
him to get a little closer.

-Kyle M

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Behalf Of BJ Newlin
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2018 6:44 AM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Are you allowed to use intermediate sprinklers everywhere? In 13 Section 
8.3.2.1 seems to interchange the use of intermediate and ordinary, but table 
6.2.5.1 indicates that if the maximum ceiling temperature does not exceed 100° 
Ordinary sprinklers are to be used.

I know this is a gray area we take advantage of to ensure our fitters don’t 
have to look at what they’re installing, but is it technically in compliance 
with code?


B.J. Newlin
Service Sales
Aegis Fire Protection LLC.

“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price 
is forgotten. “--Benjamin Franklin

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Subject: Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity won't 
matter.

Ron F

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery 
mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com>> wrote:
What Steve said.

Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max outlet 
temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a furnace, there is 
a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical designer/contractor should be able 
to answer the question.

-Kyle M

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.



Steve Leyton

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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

Reads

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24”

What is the temp of “Hot Air”?

Jerry Van Kolken
Millennium Fire Protection Corp.
2950 San Luis Rey Rd.
Oceanside, CA 92058
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RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-09 Thread BJ Newlin 
Are you allowed to use intermediate sprinklers everywhere? In 13 Section 
8.3.2.1 seems to interchange the use of intermediate and ordinary, but table 
6.2.5.1 indicates that if the maximum ceiling temperature does not exceed 100° 
Ordinary sprinklers are to be used.

 

I know this is a gray area we take advantage of to ensure our fitters don’t 
have to look at what they’re installing, but is it technically in compliance 
with code?

 

 

B.J. Newlin

Service Sales

Aegis Fire Protection LLC.

 

“The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price 
is forgotten. “--Benjamin Franklin

 

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Of ron fletcher
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 2:56 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

 

Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity won't 
matter.

 

Ron F

 

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com> > wrote:

What Steve said.

 

Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max outlet 
temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a furnace, there is 
a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical designer/contractor should be able 
to answer the question.

 

-Kyle M

 

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Leyton
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:20 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

 

Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.

 

 

 

Steve Leyton  

 

(Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.)

 

 

 

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Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00) 

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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers 

 

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

 

Reads 

 

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24” 

 

What is the temp of “Hot Air”?

 

Jerry Van Kolken

Millennium Fire Protection Corp.

2950 San Luis Rey Rd.

Oceanside, CA 92058

(760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730

 

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Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-08 Thread Steve Leyton 
Right.   We had to very closely coordinate locations of sidewall sprinklers and 
sidewall registers in a luxury condo project several years ago where the soffit 
headwalls were angled and even wavy.   We learned from the mechanical engineer 
for those particular dwellings that the maximum discharge temperature was 
109゜F. It taught us to ask the question on other projects where locations were 
in potential conflict and we generally find that the maximum temperature is 
about 100゜ however we've seen 104° recently.



Steve Leyton

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 Original message 
From: "Kyle.Montgomery" 
Date: 11/8/18 10:57 PM (GMT+03:00)
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

What Steve said.

Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max outlet 
temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a furnace, there is 
a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical designer/contractor should be able 
to answer the question.

-Kyle M

From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:20 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.



Steve Leyton

(Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.)



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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

Reads

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24”

What is the temp of “Hot Air”?

Jerry Van Kolken
Millennium Fire Protection Corp.
2950 San Luis Rey Rd.
Oceanside, CA 92058
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RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-08 Thread Jerry Van Kolken 
Sprinklers are Residential HSW Concealers.

 

And if your intermediate the next column in that table says you still need to 
be 12” away. 

 

Jerry Van Kolken

Millennium Fire Protection

(760) 722-2722

 

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Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity won't 
matter.

 

Ron F

 

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery  wrote:

What Steve said.

 

Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max outlet 
temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a furnace, there is 
a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical designer/contractor should be able 
to answer the question.

 

-Kyle M

 

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

 

Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.

 

 

 

Steve Leyton  

 

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From: Jerry Van Kolken  

Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00) 

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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers 

 

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

 

Reads 

 

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24” 

 

What is the temp of “Hot Air”?

 

Jerry Van Kolken

Millennium Fire Protection Corp.

2950 San Luis Rey Rd.

Oceanside, CA 92058

(760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730

 

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Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-08 Thread ron fletcher 
Why not use intermediate temp heads everywhere? Then diffuser proximity
won't matter.

Ron F

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 1:57 PM Kyle.Montgomery 
wrote:

> What Steve said.
>
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> Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max
> outlet temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a
> furnace, there is a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical
> designer/contractor should be able to answer the question.
>
>
>
> -Kyle M
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>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:
> sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve
> Leyton
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:20 PM
> *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers
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> Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.
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> Steve Leyton
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> (Sent from my phone; please excuse typos and voice text corruptions.)
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>  Original message 
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> From: Jerry Van Kolken 
>
> Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00)
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> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
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> Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers
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> NFPA 13-*2016 Table* 8.3.2.5 (c)
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> Reads
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> Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  *Minimum Distance from
> Edge of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24” *
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> What is the temp of “Hot Air”?
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> Jerry Van Kolken
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> *Millennium Fire Protection Corp.*
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> 2950 San Luis Rey Rd.
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> Oceanside, CA 92058
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> (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730
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RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-08 Thread Kyle . Montgomery 
What Steve said.

Generally, my experience has been that if they have a heat pump, max outlet 
temperature will be less than 100 degrees. But if they have a furnace, there is 
a good chance it will be higher. Mechanical designer/contractor should be able 
to answer the question.

-Kyle M

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Behalf Of Steve Leyton
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 12:20 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.



Steve Leyton

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Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00)
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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

Reads

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24"

What is the temp of "Hot Air"?

Jerry Van Kolken
Millennium Fire Protection Corp.
2950 San Luis Rey Rd.
Oceanside, CA 92058
(760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730

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Re: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-08 Thread Steve Leyton 
Higher than the ambient temp rating of the subject sprinkler.



Steve Leyton

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 Original message 
From: Jerry Van Kolken 
Date: 11/8/18 8:47 PM (GMT+03:00)
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

Reads

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from Edge 
of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24”

What is the temp of “Hot Air”?

Jerry Van Kolken
Millennium Fire Protection Corp.
2950 San Luis Rey Rd.
Oceanside, CA 92058
(760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730

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RE: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

2018-11-08 Thread MFP Design, LLC 
Ask the mechanical engineer that did the HVAC plans.  8.3.2.5(9) may
eliminate the issue.

 



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From: Sprinklerforum  On
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Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2018 10:47 AM
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Subject: Sprinklers next to Diffusers

 

NFPA 13-2016 Table 8.3.2.5 (c)

 

Reads 

 

Side of ceiling- or wall-mounted hot air diffuser  Minimum Distance from
Edge of Source to Ordinary-Temperature Sprinkler  - 24" 

 

What is the temp of "Hot Air"?

 

Jerry Van Kolken

Millennium Fire Protection Corp.

2950 San Luis Rey Rd.

Oceanside, CA 92058

(760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730

 

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