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From: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On
Behalf Of Richard Hipp
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 6:31 AM
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Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
> Coincidence! I ha
I agree - keep the list on email. Simple, convenient.
John Gillespie
On 22 November 2017 at 19:49, Niall O'Reilly wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote:
>
> > Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient.
> I don't think checking
I hope that ways are found to keep the email list viable.
If not, my only request is that it should push the messages to me, rather
than making me pull them.
If I had to pull, I might have skipped the thread on inserting date in the
middle and updating the ID column--and I have learned a lot from
On Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:45:25 +, Tim Streater
wrote:
>On 22 Nov 2017, at 19:49, "Niall O'Reilly" wrote:
>
>> On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote:
>>
>>> Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. I
>>> don't think checking into a f
On 22 Nov 2017, at 19:49, "Niall O'Reilly" wrote:
> On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote:
>
>> Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. I
>> don't think checking into a forum to stay current with the brisk activity
>> here is very pra
On Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:32 AM, Wout Mertens wrote...
In SO you have very little socialization going on. This mailinglist is
GUILTY! And I am not Dominique. :-) This is the only mailing list that I am
subscribed twice. There is so much knowledge in here, that it should be kept
i
This one. That one. Esta. Aquella. :-)
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From: Peter Da Silva
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 8:12 AM
To: SQLite mailing list
Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
On 11/21/17, 9:54 PM, "sqlite-users on behalf of jose isaias cab
> -Original Message-
> From: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users-boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On
> Behalf Of Keith Medcalf
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 11:33 AM
> To: SQLite mailing list
> Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
>
&
On 21 Nov 2017, at 16:27, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ wrote:
> Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. I
> don't think checking into a forum to stay current with the brisk activity
> here is very practical or appealing.
I agree with Bill on this.
It seem
Hi,
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:53 AM, jungle Boogie wrote:
> On 22 November 2017 at 07:56, Igor Korot wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Postgres very recently switched to PGLister for their ML
>>
>> This software switch tries to do exactly that - it tries to stay
>> complaint with all this DMARC stuff.
>>
>> Her
Well I think some have pointed out the issues with a online web
forum, logging in, lack of email notifications?
Mailing lists are one aspect of the Internet that in the last
25yrs has not disappointed me. Keeping the mailing list seems
to work or the irc option perhaps.
With that being said I wou
On 22 November 2017 at 07:56, Igor Korot wrote:
> Hi,
> Postgres very recently switched to PGLister for their ML
>
> This software switch tries to do exactly that - it tries to stay
> complaint with all this DMARC stuff.
>
> Here is the announcement that was posted on their wiki page:
> https://wi
>> There is nothing wrong with email - but there is an awful lot wrong
>> with gnail and Google's ideas on how email is done. (Not to
>> mention Yahoo, but it seems that MS have the sense to leave the
>> underpinnings of hotmail as they were.)
>> To put it simply - friends don't let friends use
Hi,
Postgres very recently switched to PGLister for their ML
This software switch tries to do exactly that - it tries to stay
complaint with all this DMARC stuff.
Here is the announcement that was posted on their wiki page:
https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PGLister_Announce.
Since SQLite follows
> There is nothing wrong with email - but there is an awful lot wrong with gnail
> and Google's ideas on how email is done. (Not to mention Yahoo, but it
> seems that MS have the sense to leave the underpinnings of hotmail as they
> were.)
>
> To put it simply - friends don't let friends use gmail
On Wednesday, 22 November, 2017 04:47, Richard Damon
wrote:
>There is a fundamental problem with the email system that it goes
>back to a kinder and gentler time, and it is trivial to spoof most
>mail.
Including good old-fashioned snail mail of course. There is also no way to
determine the
In SO you have very little socialization going on. This mailinglist is
awesome because it is filled with people who will enthousiastically share
very detailed information, each in their own way. On SO there is no
long-term narrative.
I subscribed to this mailing list because I needed help, and I d
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Wout Mertens
wrote:
> One more reason for some forum vs a mailing list: You can "like" a post
> without spamming everyone, thus showing your appreciation to the poster and
> surfacing interesting content for summarization algorithms.
Or then reputation points ca
One more reason for some forum vs a mailing list: You can "like" a post
without spamming everyone, thus showing your appreciation to the poster and
surfacing interesting content for summarization algorithms.
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 2:13 PM Peter Da Silva <
peter.dasi...@flightaware.com> wrote:
>
On 11/21/17, 9:54 PM, "sqlite-users on behalf of jose isaias cabrera"
wrote:
> But, whatever it is, I will be part of the next phase of communication.
This.
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Amongs all of these, I'd like to throw in that I'd like to see a gitter.im
channel for sqlite (as opposed to discord or slack). gitter is much easier
to share code snippets on and is much faster. It's also got nice
integration with github... although that's less important since sqlite
isn't hoste
On 11/21/17 3:29 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
And checking SPF is pretty useful as well. Once you have enforced strict
compliance, however, the effect of SPF is negligible (less than 1/1000%).
DKIM/DMARC generally causes more trouble than it solves (it was designed by a
committee of idiots after
: Tuesday, November 21, 2017 10:59 AM
To: SQLite mailing list
Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
In my opinion it is the beginning of the end of crappy freemail providers
and their overzealous spam filtering. And it is about time.
If you run an RFC complaint MTA then
On 11/21/2017 08:20 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
> Strict RFC compliance is very simple:
Which explains why virtually every email client on mobile devices is
unable to send email that complies with the relevant RFCs.
Using RFC-compliance as a spam detection tool is useful, because it
eliminates 100
On 21 November 2017 at 11:42, Warren Young wrote:
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva
> wrote:
>>
>> But the mailers I use (Gmail’s web interface, Apple Mail and (yuck) Outlook)
>> all do basic threading.
>
> I’d describe what Apple Mail and Gmail do as “clumping” rather than
> “thr
On 21 November 2017 at 06:30, Richard Hipp wrote:
> On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
>> Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite
>> email as 'not spam'
>
> I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now.
> Nothing has changed with MailMan. I t
Sqlite had a forum in the past on Nabble. Seems nice to me, I still get
several hits to nabble when googling for sqlite issues.
What didn't work there?
-SK
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
> > Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail f
On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
>
> Strict RFC compliance is very simple:
We await your patch, then. :)
> And checking SPF is pretty useful as well.
But not DKIM, which solves the same problem as SPF, but with strong crypto so
it can’t be MITM’d?
DKIM effectively signs emai
On 22/11/2017 01:30, Richard Hipp wrote:
On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite
email as 'not spam'
I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now.
Nothing has changed with MailMan. I think what we are se
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
> This is what drh does. We’re fans because he does it well.
drh + djb = bliss?
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> On Nov 21, 2017, at 3:30 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> I think what we are seeing is the beginning of the end of email as a viable
> communication medium.
Nonsense. Email is one of these cockroach technologies: it will survive us all.
> I really need to come up with an alternative to the ma
e-users-
>>boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Warren Young
>>Sent: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 12:43
>>To: SQLite mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
>>
>>On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva
>>
ung
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 12:43
>To: SQLite mailing list
>Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
>
>On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva
> wrote:
>>
>> But the mailers I use (Gmail’s web interface, Apple Mail and (yuck)
>Outl
I vote to keep mailing list. It works great for me with GMail (accessible
from all my devices instantly)
Reasons:
1. GMail has a threaded view built-in which works great. You might need to
enable it in settings.
2. I doubt if any spam filter can ever be better than Gmail's. Spam
fighting is not jus
> On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:42 PM, Warren Young wrote:
>
> As far as I can tell, the only really hard part is the email gatewaying
> problem, evidenced by the fact that Fossil still doesn’t have a feature to
> echo commits, ticket changes, etc. via email.
“Every program attempts to expand until
On Nov 21, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Peter Da Silva
wrote:
>
> But the mailers I use (Gmail’s web interface, Apple Mail and (yuck) Outlook)
> all do basic threading.
I’d describe what Apple Mail and Gmail do as “clumping” rather than “threading.”
I think we can all agree that drh gets trees, so if h
In the UK we’ve still got a threaded conferencing service called CIX must
be over 30 years old now (it was based on BIX / Cosy). The joke is it’s the
UKs oldest online social network :)
Another vote for a threaded forum here. I do try and keep up with the ML
but if it was threaded it would be a lo
21, 2017 12:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
On 11/21/17, 11:21 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Warren Young"
wrote:
> You don’t get proper threading with the current ticket comment system, but
> both mailers I use these
On 2017-11-21 6:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite
email as 'not spam'
I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now.
Nothing has changed with MailMan. I think what we are
IMO, the additional functionality provided doesn't outweigh yet another
niche and individual forum I need to log into that can potentially end up
being hacked. Its another thing Richard (et all) has to maintain and
update.
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Paul Sanderson <
sandersonforens...@gmai
On 11/21/17, 11:21 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Warren Young"
wrote:
> You don’t get proper threading with the current ticket comment system, but
> both mailers I use these days lack that feature, as do most forum systems. I
> miss threading, but clearly I can live without it.
If by “prope
On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:52 AM, Dominique Devienne wrote:
>
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
>> I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list. Perhaps
>> some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed.
>
> After re-inventing database and source-co
On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
>
> On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
>> Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite
>> email as 'not spam'
>
> I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now.
> Nothing has changed with MailMan.
What about some sort of poll.
Mail lists might work but the additonal functionality offered by a forum (I
am a member of many) makes them my choice.
Paul
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I’m a mailing list fan, too. Reddit I use for yucks only.
On 11/21/17, 10:48 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Stephen Chrzanowski"
wrote:
All in all, just please, oh PLEASE stay away from redit I will not
ever go there. I got BANNED for a first post question that included an
ex
All in all, just please, oh PLEASE stay away from redit I will not
ever go there. I got BANNED for a first post question that included an
example to clarify what I was looking for. Nothing nasty, nothing
ignorant, it was a technical question about something or other, and out to
the curb I we
On 21.11.2017 17:30 John McKown wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ <
> william.dr...@l3t.com> wrote:
>
>>> I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list.
>>> Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed.
>>> --
>>> D. Ric
On 2017/11/21 6:30 PM, Keith Medcalf wrote:
//...
I consider that there is no such thing as a "false positive". Either the sending MTA is
a properly configured RFC compliant Internet host with a properly configured MTA, or I do not want
to accept communications from it. If it is properly con
On 11/21/17, 10:30 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Keith Medcalf"
wrote:
> I simply tell those people that they either (a) fix their systems or (b) use
> snail-mail. Takes care of the problem entirely.
I am absolutely not going to get into that discussion with, for one example, a
lawyer in an
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 10:27 AM, Drago, William @ CSG - NARDA-MITEQ <
william.dr...@l3t.com> wrote:
> > I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list.
> > Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed.
> > --
> > D. Richard Hipp
> > d...@sqlite.org
>
> Please, no
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lot about anticipated traffic volume.
On Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 09:06, Peter Da Silva
wrote:
>On 11/21/17, 9:59 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Keith Medcalf"
>kmedc...@dessus.com> wrote:
>> If you run an
> I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list.
> Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed.
> --
> D. Richard Hipp
> d...@sqlite.org
Please, not a forum. The email list is instant, dynamic, and convenient. I
don't think checking into a forum to stay current
On 11/21/17, 9:59 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Keith Medcalf"
wrote:
> If you run an RFC complaint MTA then there is really very little problem with
> SPAM at all -- I have many connections per second rejected for RFC
> non-compliance -- and get maybe 3 SPAM messages per day, all of which
>
Il giorno 21 novembre 2017, alle ore 15:30, Richard Hipp ha
scritto:
>On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
>> Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite
>> email as 'not spam'
>I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now.
>Nothing has changed
Message-
>From: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users-
>boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Wout Mertens
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 08:26
>To: SQLite mailing list
>Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
>
>Discourse has a mailing-list mo
gt;From: sqlite-users [mailto:sqlite-users-
>boun...@mailinglists.sqlite.org] On Behalf Of Richard Hipp
>Sent: Tuesday, 21 November, 2017 07:31
>To: SQLite mailing list
>Subject: Re: [sqlite] Many ML emails going to GMail's SPAM
>
>On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
>>
I greatly prefer e-mail, too. It's a shame mailing lists run afoul of SPF and
usually DKIM, and doubly so that ARC is unlikely to be of much help.
I abhor Discourse, so it's depressing for me that it's so popular. Alas...
On November 21, 2017 10:16:24 AM EST, Stephen Chrzanowski
wrote:
>I lov
Discourse has a mailing-list mode you can enable, which will send you all
posts (I presume, I never tried it)
The default setup sends you interesting new topics at an interval of your
choosing.
What I like very much about Discourse:
- great engagement
- easy following of only those topics
I love the email methodology, and I'd honestly be sad to see it go. But if
GMail is causing the mischaracterization of the mail, maybe just a note on
the sqlite.org home page that directs people on how to whitelist the
mailing list?
I'm indifferent to the forum idea, but, so long the forum softwa
On 11/21/17, 8:52 AM, "sqlite-users on behalf of Dominique Devienne"
wrote:
> After re-inventing database and source-control, forum software next? :) I
> have no doubt it would be lean, fast, SQLite-based, in C (and/or TCL).
Plus XMPP and NNTP/NNRPD interfaces, and a PERFECT bidirectional emai
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
> > Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of
> SQLite
> > email as 'not spam'
>
> I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now.
> Nothing has changed with MailM
On 21 Nov 2017, at 2:30pm, Richard Hipp wrote:
> I really need to come up with an alternative to the mailing list.
> Perhaps some kind of forum system. Suggestions are welcomed.
If we’re to end up with a chat-based system then I’d prefer Discord.
I can’t recommend a web-based forum system ri
I know it can't be expected of users, but, I've setup GMail to whitelist
anything coming from the mail list. GMail tells me that the message should
have gone to spam, but because of a rule, yadda yadda.
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Richard Hipp wrote:
> On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
On 11/21/17, Paul Sanderson wrote:
> Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite
> email as 'not spam'
I've been seeing mailing list emails go to spam for a while now.
Nothing has changed with MailMan. I think what we are seeing is the
beginning of the end of email
Coincidence! I have just been in my gmail folder marking a load of SQLite
email as 'not spam'
Paul
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Just FYI. Not sure if something changed on the mailer's settings.
Possibly/likely linked to GMail changing it's SPAM heuristics I guess. --DD
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