Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
To the original question: You can have multiple sort fields just as you can have multiple artist fields. For instance, I often have multiple artists AND artistsort tags in tracks. The trick is to make sure you place the multiple tags in the same order for both the main field and the sort field. Admittedly, I do not use albumartistsort fields (nor do I actually use multiple albumartists), but it should work the same way. I would just try putting two albumartistsort tags to reflect each albumartist (or three or more if that is the case). Now for the classical issues described later, I have a two tiered approach that starts with a system similar to the previous post. In one tier I have a series of tags (many custom) for Opus, Movement, Work, Conductor, Soloist, Orchestra/Ensemble, Period/Style, etc. This tier stores information that I considered fixed and has an intent of capturing all the information I want for a recording. There are a series of custom tags here also that capture information about the original source "Source Album Title", "Source Track Title", "Source Track Number", "Year Published", etc. The importance of these go into the second tier where I break the concept of an album, CD, etc. and move to a more natural orientation to the work. In LMS, I use Customscan and Custombrowse just as the previous poster. The second tier is essentially a technique for dealing with devices/software/etc that have no flexibility for custom tags. This tier takes information from the first tier tags and uses it to fill in the basic tags that most software deals with (Album, Artist, Title, Genre, etc.). I mostly do this using MP3tag to create actions that compile information together into one field (or perhaps multi-valued fields, like Artist), so that all the information is accessible, albeit it a little less intuitive. For instance, the Artist field might contain the Orchestra, Conductor, Composer, Soloist. The title may combine the Movement, Work, and Opus. Album could be similar. This process breaks the per disk cataloging I would normally use for popular music genres, which is why I create the "Source" tags described earlier. The information is backed up if I were to ever need to go back to the original disk. The actual files are still binned in folders per disk also. The only exception to this method is in the few classical CDs I own that are truly compilations or more individual or small ensemble situations; these are situations where one pianist plays a variety of pieces. It is a lot of work, however, and my library of classical music is not terribly big. But, I do something similar (but different) for jazz recordings too in order to track the individual performers and their instruments. It's all tedious. I dread the day LMS potentially goes away as there is little software out there, especially on a server/streaming system that has the versatility. emalvick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35382 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
Blackfiction wrote: > I agree, support for OPUS, WORK and MOVEMENT would be great! OPUS and MOVEMENT would be fun, but they'd not be crucial like RECORDING. That's why I'd like to see WORK, RECORDING and one (or more) customizable tag(s). QLMS 7.9.2@2.04 x64 (digimaster) with perl 5.28 dedicated to me. :D / QNAP 469L QTS 4.3.4 dolodobendan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67663 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
dolodobendan wrote: > We'd need three more tags for that. WORK, RECORDING and something > customizable, I use OCCASION. And menus would need to one to two more > levels. With pop music it's 1. ARTIST / 2. ALBUM. Here you'd need 1. > COMPOSER / 2. WORK / 3. RECORDING or 1. GENRE / 2. COMPOSER / 3. WORK / > 4. RECORDING. > > I use Custom Browse / Scan and Multi Library for this, but of course, > native support would be great. > > iTunes now supports something like this, too. They use MOVEMENTTOTAL and > MOVEMENTNAME to group several times to one work. Could even be tagged > WORK, unsure about this right now. I agree, support for OPUS, WORK and MOVEMENT would be great! Living: Ultrarendu -> Benchmark DAC2 HGC -> Benchmark AHB2 -> ATC SCM19 v2 & Sennheiser HD650 Kitchen: SB Touch -> Audio Pro Addon T10 gen2 Kids rooms: SB Booms Bedroom: SB Boom & SB Radio Controls: iPeng & LMS via internet Server: Windows 10 Pro with LMS 7.9.2 Spare: 2 SB Touch, 1 SB3, 2 SB Radio Blackfiction's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
Blackfiction wrote: > Sure, I also use composer tag, but not all players use / show the > composer tag. > > I thought that LMS could not handle sorting of multiple artistsort tags. > My mistake... > I tagged via dbpoweramp which was not working, now that I tried with > mp3tag, it seems that LMS sorts multiple (album)artists just fine. What > a great piece of software! :D You will find LMS is pretty comprehensive when it comes to tagging but classical music presents particular challenges. What is also interesting is comparing how other players display tags. Multiple Artists works great in LMS but Google Play Music will only display one artist tag. Shozzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
karlek wrote: > Okay. What would be your desired output and what is the output you get > instead? > > By the way, Id tag Bach IN COMPOSER not IN ARTIST. Sure, I also use composer tag, but not all players use / show the composer tag. I thought that LMS could not handle sorting of multiple artistsort tags. My mistake... I tagged via dbpoweramp which was not working, now that I tried with mp3tag, it seems that LMS sorts multiple (album)artists just fine. What a great piece of software! :D Living: Ultrarendu -> Benchmark DAC2 HGC -> Benchmark AHB2 -> ATC SCM19 v2 & Sennheiser HD650 Kitchen: SB Touch -> Audio Pro Addon T10 gen2 Kids rooms: SB Booms Bedroom: SB Boom & SB Radio Controls: iPeng & LMS via internet Server: Windows 10 Pro with LMS 7.9.2 Spare: 2 SB Touch, 1 SB3, 2 SB Radio Blackfiction's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
Okay. What would be your desired output and what is the output you get instead? By the way, Id tag Bach IN COMPOSER not IN ARTIST. karlek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64321 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
karlek wrote: > I dont understand what type of set you want to be sorted correct. But > are you aware that besides ALBUMARTISTSORT there is ARTISTSORT ( and > ALBUMSORT AND TITLESORT) either? > Maybe you can get where you want with one (or more) of these. I do not think that will work for most classical albums. For example take the following theoretical example: Artist= js bach Artistsort=bach, js Albumartist=julia fischer Albumartist=pablo casals This way I think I can not use the albumartistsort tag as there are multiple albumartists. Living: Ultrarendu -> Benchmark DAC2 HGC -> Benchmark AHB2 -> ATC SCM19 v2 & Sennheiser HD650 Kitchen: SB Touch -> Audio Pro Addon T10 gen2 Kids rooms: SB Booms Bedroom: SB Boom & SB Radio Controls: iPeng & LMS via internet Server: Windows 10 Pro with LMS 7.9.2 Spare: 2 SB Touch, 1 SB3, 2 SB Radio Blackfiction's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
I dont understand what type of set you want to be sorted correct. But are you aware that besides ALBUMARTISTSORT there is ARTISTSORT ( and ALBUMSORT AND TITLESORT) either? Maybe you can get where you want with one (or more) of these. karlek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64321 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] New option to allow for correct sorting
I am wondering if it would be possible to make a plugin or to upload a txt file or something so that LMS knows how to sort artists and albumartists. For example, I have some albums where I have multiple albumartists. I do not think I can use albumartistsort on those albums. Consequently, some albumartists are not sorted. Therefore, I thought that maybe we can feed LMS with a txt file where the sorting is stored in a predefined way. A plugin could work as well. I do not have the skills to do this, but maybe someone can? Living: Ultrarendu -> Benchmark DAC2 HGC -> Benchmark AHB2 -> ATC SCM19 v2 & Sennheiser HD650 Kitchen: SB Touch -> Audio Pro Addon T10 gen2 Kids rooms: SB Booms Bedroom: SB Boom & SB Radio Controls: iPeng & LMS via internet Server: Windows 10 Pro with LMS 7.9.2 Spare: 2 SB Touch, 1 SB3, 2 SB Radio Blackfiction's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110332 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
