Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
tw99 wrote: > What benefit do you think a "hi end" streamer will give you if you're > not going to make any use of the streamer's own software ecosystem ? > > If you say you're committed to continue with LMS, then you won't do any > better than a Pi4 based streamer with a high performing external DAC > (which doesn't have to be expensive, as you know from the Khadas...) I know, I know. Common sense will prevail and Ill divert the cash towards a new head unit in my car as the existing one is broken Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
tw99 wrote: > What benefit do you think a "hi end" streamer will give you if you're > not going to make any use of the streamer's own software ecosystem ? > > If you say you're committed to continue with LMS, then you won't do any > better than a Pi4 based streamer with a high performing external DAC > (which doesn't have to be expensive, as you know from the Khadas...) exactly, and even if one does use the streamer's own software, it is sometimes known to be a mess, even in $30,000 streamers. LMS was way, way, way ahead of its time. (and unless the streamer is not functioning properly (which could actually be a bad design, even in high cost streamers, it is not the streamer that mattersit is the DAC. The streamer just needs to deliver the proper bits to the DAC, with no interference.) *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
d6jg wrote: > Ive been thinking about purchasing a hi end streamer but keep taking > myself out of it. However if I eventually do succumb I would want to use > it with the UpnpBridge. The only way I can think of ensuring that it > will work is to take a full working LMS with me if I audition the > streamer somewhere. > > At the moment Im using a Pi4 plus Khadas tone board and I think it may > take some beating. What benefit do you think a "hi end" streamer will give you if you're not going to make any use of the streamer's own software ecosystem ? If you say you're committed to continue with LMS, then you won't do any better than a Pi4 based streamer with a high performing external DAC (which doesn't have to be expensive, as you know from the Khadas...) tw99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51684 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
philippe_44 wrote: > . So you end up with crappy SW created by monkeys (and there a lot of > these in sw, they are just randomly typing on keyboards hoping for > something to happen). Thanks for the laugh out loud! I once worked with a person who felt if her code (written in 'C') compiled, then it was done. She also would create endless nests of IF-THEN-ELSE rather than a CASE structure. Thanks for bringing back that memory :) Jim Redrum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
castalla wrote: > I've had some success with the chromecast and airplay bridges. I can see this if you already have the equipment. But I would never recommend buying equipment that requires Upnp on purpose. *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
garym wrote: > I wouldnt touch anything that is not recognized as a Squeezebox > endpoint (eg real touch or transporter or rPi with piCorePlayer feeding > a good DAC). Moving to upnp now would be like trading in your 2021 smart > phone for a 20 year old PalmPilot with an add-on 300 baud portable modem > for accessing dialup internet. (I had this!) I've had some success with the chromecast and airplay bridges. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
I wouldnt touch anything that is not recognized as a Squeezebox endpoint (eg real touch or transporter or rPi with piCorePlayer feeding a good DAC). Moving to upnp now would be like trading in your 2021 smart phone for a 20 year old PalmPilot with an add-on 300 baud portable modem for accessing dialup internet. (I had this!) *Home:* Pi4B-8GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B-4GB/pCP8.x/4TB>LMS 8.2.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP7.x/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>hifiberry Dac+Pro (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dBpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
Ive been thinking about purchasing a hi end streamer but keep taking myself out of it. However if I eventually do succumb I would want to use it with the UpnpBridge. The only way I can think of ensuring that it will work is to take a full working LMS with me if I audition the streamer somewhere. At the moment Im using a Pi4 plus Khadas tone board and I think it may take some beating. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
ricko wrote: > Thanks to all for your replies... sounds encouraging. > > Probably the best step would be to spend a little $$ on a low end device > and play around with the plugin before pulling the trigger on a > unit. > > Will see if there are any dealers in Kiwi Land for the unit but > probably wont be. > > Might see if there are any Naim products that look attractive as there > are Naim dealers here. > > Peter You might find it easier to use either the airplay or chromecast bridges if your target device has these. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
ricko wrote: > Thanks to all for your replies... sounds encouraging. > > Probably the best step would be to spend a little $$ on a low end device > and play around with the plugin before pulling the trigger on a > unit. > > Will see if there are any dealers in Kiwi Land for the unit but > probably wont be. > > Might see if there are any Naim products that look attractive as there > are Naim dealers here. > > Peter Unfortunately it will not give you a good idea. Ive seen decent UPnP stacks on cheap players and outrageously expensive devices with very crappy stacks - it does not correlate well. The problem of UPnP is that the standard is not great although its acceptable but what kills it is the lack of proper interoperability and validation tests. So you end up with crappy SW created by monkeys (and there a lot of these in sw, they are just randomly typing on keyboards hoping for something to happen). The extra difficulty is that the bridge is a bridge so I dont control either end. When you just build a control point, you can fix a few parameters, that make things much easier (like decide you only send pcm/wav). But for example, some stack cant understand that what they are being served is not a file, which cannot be accessed randomly. Usually Im trying to help as many people as I can to make their device work but sometimes its just impossible without making a custom version which I cant do. Ive added a great deal of flexibility, parameters and operational modes in this bridge which unfortunately explain why you have so many parameters but sometimes its just not enough. LMS 8.2 on Odroid-C4 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 5xBoom, 2xDuet, 1xTouch, 1xSB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, RivaArena 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
Thanks to all for your replies... sounds encouraging. Probably the best step would be to spend a little $$ on a low end device and play around with the plugin before pulling the trigger on a unit. Will see if there are any dealers in Kiwi Land for the unit but probably wont be. Might see if there are any Naim products that look attractive as there are Naim dealers here. Peter ricko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=72302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
I use the uPNP/DLNA bridge with a couple of different endpoints. It works pretty well (including artwork display, native player controls and LMS controls), but it is perhaps slightly flakier than using a native player. There are a lot of settings to play with which might improve matters, but any issues are still rare enough that I haven't bothered. ReplayGain doesn't work though, if that's important to you. tw99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=51684 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
I use the bridge to connect to a pairof Kef LSX wireless speakers. Initially I had occasional problems with the speakers failing to move on to the next track, but since ticking the "Flow" option in the UPNPBridge settings that no longer happens - the plugin and speakers are used for hours each day without any problems. Mostly I'm playing from Qobuz, also from BBC. According to the documentation, selecting "Flow" causes LMS to send the data as a continuous stream rather than track-by-track and this seems to suit the speakers very well, but it means no track metadata is sent. Since the speakers have no display, this doesn't matter. On the plus side I can control the speaker volume from LMS with this arrangement, and the speakers switch themselves on when a stream is started. It works very well indeed for me, and is more convenient that my previous arrangement which was Toslink. stevebaggs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62476 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
I simply installed PhillipeÂs DLNA UPNP Bridge on LMS and my Naim Uniti Atom just showed up as a player in LMS. Not only did playing a song work great, but the album art and title showed perfectly on the Uniti display, and the metadata that the Naim App looks at to construct a cool booklet just worked as well (this is a little inconsistent, but that seems to be a bug in the Naim app) So far, the only negative IÂve found with the DLNA plugin is the lack of a donate button to show my appreciation to Phillipe for creating such a great plugin. I canÂt vouch for other players, but my case worked effortlessly mps's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36351 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] LMS into DLNA/UPNP end point: Real world experiences
ricko wrote: > I was (and still am) a Slim Devices Transporter user since 2006 (now in > my office for streaming Qobuz and local file playback) and currently run > a lightweight, fanless PC running squeezelite as my LMS endpoint into my > DAC over USB in my main system. > > I am an LMS groupie and will not be changing...however, there are a lot > of nice devices out there (sotm, aurender, lumin, auralic etc) that look > interesting and beg to be bench marked against my current endpoint, but > the only conduit for LMS to talk to these devices is over DLNA. > > I am 100% sure that the LMS DLNA implementation is rock solid but wanted > to check if anyone runs LMS with DLNA into these types of devices: > > - Any stability issues? > - If the device has a fancy screen, do you get cover art etc > > > I am not worried about sound quality (thats down to the individual > device) but rather whether they work well with LMS/DLNA > > Thanks, > > Peter My 2p DLNA/uPnP is a flawed protocol particularly in the area of player and queue management. IMO youd be better off asking about usage with Phillipes UpnpBridge plugin which exposes DLNA Renderers as SB Players but it can be incredibly fiddly to set up. If you can get it fully working then the Renderer becomes a full SB Player and can be controlled as such. Jim https://jukeradio.double6.net VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* Joggler & Pi4/Khadas -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* SB Radio *Bedroom (Bedside)* Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Kef ceiling speakers *Guest Room* Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115607 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
