Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 01-03-14 18:04, Christian Schudt wrote: Hi, I recently was confronted with the following requirement: Create a (non-public members-only) room, grant membership to X contacts and send an invitation to these X contacts. Then after receiving the invitation, but BEFORE joining the room, the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Christian Schudt
Hi, could you elaborate on this proposal a little bit, please? The room creator/owner publishes a node to a pubsub service, which contains all room members and each invitee subscribes to this node (which is equal to the room JID?)? What about the case, when a member invites further members?

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
:) A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting so bad? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying behavior on email discussion lists? On 3/5/14, 10:16 AM, Christian Schudt wrote: Hi, could you elaborate on this proposal a little bit,

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Ralph Meijer
On 2014-03-05 11:16, Christian Schudt wrote: Hi, could you elaborate on this proposal a little bit, please? Agreed. I'm a more of a fan of publish-subscribe than the next guy, but I don't see how this is a helpful suggestion without elaboration. Going back to the original question, I don't

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Christian Schudt
Hi, Could you elaborate a bit on the use case and the need for it? I'm not saying it's bad or irrelevant, but XEP-0045 was not designed to solve every possible problem related to groupchat. A user creates a (members-only) room and adds X contacts from his roster as member and invites them.

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 3/5/14, 11:25 AM, Christian Schudt wrote: Hi, Could you elaborate a bit on the use case and the need for it? I'm not saying it's bad or irrelevant, but XEP-0045 was not designed to solve every possible problem related to groupchat. A user creates a (members-only) room and adds X contacts

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Winfried Tilanus
On 05-03-14 11:46, Ralph Meijer wrote: Hi, could you elaborate on this proposal a little bit, please? Agreed. I'm a more of a fan of publish-subscribe than the next guy, but I don't see how this is a helpful suggestion without elaboration. OK It would be so much easier to just allow 7.11

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Christian Schudt
Ah, I see, you need the list of members, not the list of occupants. Correct. Yes, it seems possible that you could modify an implementation to allow non-occupant members to perform this query. We might even possibly want to add a note about this to the spec. I guess you refer to 6.5? If you

[Standards] XSF membership application period Q2 2014

2014-03-05 Thread Alexander Gnauck
I have setup the membership application Wiki page for the application period Q2 2014 Applications are encouraged from developers and others who are actively involved in the Jabber/XMPP community. To apply, create a page about yourself on the Wiki:

Re: [Standards] XSF membership application period Q2 2014

2014-03-05 Thread Edwin Mons
On 05/03/14 12:30, Alexander Gnauck wrote: I have setup the membership application Wiki page for the application period Q2 2014 Applications are encouraged from developers and others who are actively involved in the Jabber/XMPP community. To apply, create a page about yourself on the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045 to Final?

2014-03-05 Thread Ralph Meijer
On 2014-03-05 12:48, Winfried Tilanus wrote: [..] Well, I *assumed* your MUC implementation did not support this. Assuming that, you can try to change your MUC implementation (leaving alone the question if a change to XEP-0045 is needed). But when you have to change your MUC

[Standards] Comments on the Push XEP

2014-03-05 Thread Abmar Barros
Hi everyone, Following up on the message by Lance asking for comments on https://github.com/legastero/customxeps/blob/gh-pages/extensions/push.md, I've come up with a couple of suggestions/questions. * I still think it's valid to allow a component to proxy more than one proprietary push service.