Re: [Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

Too bad...XEP-0313 is still experimental and XEP-0136 is deprecated already.16.11.2017, 00:25, "Sam Whited" :Hi all,This email is to let you know that XEP-0136: Message Archiving [1] hasbeen moved to a stats of Deprecated per a vote of the Council. The newversion will be

[Standards] XEP-0136: Message Archiving moved to Deprecated

Hi all, This email is to let you know that XEP-0136: Message Archiving [1] has been moved to a stats of Deprecated per a vote of the Council. The new version will be published and live on the website soon. —Sam [1]: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0136.html

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Markup

Tue, 07 Nov 2017 20:34:04 - Jonas Wielicki (XSF Editor) wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Message Markup > Abstract: > This specification provides an alternative to XHTML-IM with rigid > separation of content and

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management)

That's nice!This XEP is still too raw.15.11.2017, 19:58, "Sam Whited" :Given the feedback on this thread, the council voted today NOT toadvance XEP-0313 to draft.The XEP will return to experimental until some of the feedback isaddressed.—SamOn Mon, Oct 16, 2017, at 12:38, Jonas

[Standards] 2017-11-15 XSF Council Minutes

2017-11-15 XSF Council Minutes == Chat Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2017-11-15 Chair: * Tobias Markmann (Tobias) Present: * Sam Whited (SamWhited) * Dave Cridland (dwd) * Daniel Gultsch (daniel) * Emmanuel Gil Peyrot (Link Mauve) Minute taker: * JC Brand

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management)

* Jonas Wielicki [2017-10-16 18:38]: > 4. Do you have any security concerns related to this specification? As I understood it, the reasoning for the last namespace bump to mam:2 was to offer the guarantee that stanza IDs are added to live messages as per XEP-0359. So if the

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management)

Given the feedback on this thread, the council voted today NOT to advance XEP-0313 to draft. The XEP will return to experimental until some of the feedback is addressed. —Sam On Mon, Oct 16, 2017, at 12:38, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on >

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0387 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2017)

I appreciate all of the discussion around the component protocol. I'm still pretty torn on which direction is right, but for now I've decided that this isn't important enough to block progress on. I am going to leave it in and ask the council for a vote (I already did actually, sorry, sent this

Re: [Standards] 2017-11-08 XSF Council Minutes

Hi, My votes are inline. > On 8. Nov 2017, at 17:49, JC Brand wrote: > > 2017-11-08 XSF Council Minutes > == > > Chat Logs: http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2017-11-08 > > Chair: > > * Emmanuel Gil Peyrot (Link Mauve) > > Present: > > * Sam

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

On Wed, Nov 15, 2017, at 04:06, Mathieu Pasquet wrote: > One thing that bugs me is that this XEP is supposed to specify the > existing behavior of several clients regarding various pieces of markup > (Gajim, Psi, etc…), but on the other hand it does not exactly match with > either (from what I

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

Hi all, There seems to have been some heated discussion last night and I'd like to address a few things where there seems to be some confusion: The act of accepting an XEP does not instantly make it the one-true-way to do things. Experimental XEPs are exactly that, experimental. They might catch

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0387 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2017)

On November 15, 2017 at 03:59:46, Ruslan N. Marchenko (m...@ruff.mobi) wrote: > > > On 14.11.2017 22:37, Sam Whited wrote: > > > > What do the server devs here think? > > > > > To be fair this protocol is implemented in majority(?) of existing xmpp > server implementations so the burden is zero. >

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0313 (Message Archive Management)

On 14.11.2017 16:38, Kim Alvefur wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 06:38:45PM -, Jonas Wielicki wrote: >> This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on >> XEP-0313. >> 5. Is the specification accurate and clearly written? > > I also think that the way preferences are returned

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

On Mittwoch, 15. November 2017 11:06:16 CET Mathieu Pasquet wrote: > - In 5.8, I think having blockquotes start with "> " (spaced) and not ">" > would be better, as we can already see conversations quoting "><" smileys. A huge plus one for that, even though it requires additional rules for

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

Sounds reassuring. I guess I'll try to join the Council next time.15.11.2017, 10:49, "Jonas Wielicki" :On Mittwoch, 15. November 2017 10:32:29 CET Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: 1) no matter what arguments you bring if a Council member wants it, it will be merged making all XSF

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 11:58:15AM -0600, Sam Whited wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Styling > > Abstract: > > > This specification defines a plain-text formatting syntax for use in > > exchanging instant messages with simple text styling.

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

On 15 November 2017 at 09:15, Goffi wrote: > Good morning/evening/day eveybody > > Le mercredi 15 novembre 2017, 09:54:07 CET Dave Cridland a écrit : >> Conversations is following an existing trend. Sam has merely documented it, >> and we're trying to ensure that the downsides of

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0387 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2017)

On 15 November 2017 at 08:59, Ruslan N. Marchenko wrote: > > > On 14.11.2017 22:37, Sam Whited wrote: >> >> >> What do the server devs here think? >> >> > To be fair this protocol is implemented in majority(?) of existing xmpp > server implementations so the burden is zero. > The

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

Good morning/evening/day eveybody Le mercredi 15 novembre 2017, 09:54:07 CET Dave Cridland a écrit : > Conversations is following an existing trend. Sam has merely documented it, > and we're trying to ensure that the downsides of this approach - and I > don't think anyone pretends there aren't

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:54:07 + Dave Cridland wrote: > Conversations is following an existing trend. Sam has merely > documented it, and we're trying to ensure that the downsides of this > approach - and I don't think anyone pretends there aren't any - are > mitigated. Fine.

Re: [Standards] LAST CALL: XEP-0387 (XMPP Compliance Suites 2017)

On 14.11.2017 22:37, Sam Whited wrote: What do the server devs here think? To be fair this protocol is implemented in majority(?) of existing xmpp server implementations so the burden is zero. The question is rather - what is the future vision for this component protocol? It considered as

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

On 15 Nov 2017 07:44, "Evgeny Khramtsov" wrote: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:21:22 +0300 Kozlov Konstantin wrote: > I hope the Council will never accept such inconsistent thing as an > official XEP. Too late, it's already implemented in Conversations and, since

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Styling

On a side-note: please try to keep discussions positive. Not only does that make for a friendlier conversation, arguments are much more likely to be taken into consideration if you don't start off by putting people off. On 15 November 2017 at 08:45, Evgeny Khramtsov wrote: