Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Dave Cridland
On 1 April 2015 at 18:33, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 17:37, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: Folks, Matthew Miller and Joe Hildebrand's Carbons XEP has been unchanged for 18 months, and represents a useful and well-deployed protocol, implemented in most

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 02.04.2015 10:08, Dave Cridland wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 18:33, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com mailto:mwi...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 17:37, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net mailto:d...@cridland.net wrote: It is also not clear to me what, exactly, the more

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Matthew Wild
I was just typing a reply, but Florian hit the same points as I was going to, so reply inline... On 2 April 2015 at 09:35, Florian Schmaus f...@geekplace.eu wrote: On 02.04.2015 10:08, Dave Cridland wrote: On 1 April 2015 at 18:33, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com mailto:mwi...@gmail.com

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Matthew Wild
Hi Matthieu, On 2 April 2015 at 19:52, Matthieu Rakotojaona matthieu.rakotoja...@gmail.com wrote: So I was thinking: what if MAM allowed some kind of long polling, the way HTTP has popularized it, to accomodate for the online case ? A client would send iq type='set' id='juliet1' query

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Matthew Wild
On 2 April 2015 at 11:07, Kevin Smith kevin.sm...@isode.com wrote: On 2 Apr 2015, at 10:16, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: - Other types beyond 'chat'. Seems to be something we want to have. And I would tend to put this into the carbons XEP too. I'm undecided about this. I

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On 1 Apr 2015, at 17:37, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: Folks, Matthew Miller and Joe Hildebrand's Carbons XEP has been unchanged for 18 months, and represents a useful and well-deployed protocol, implemented in most (if not all) of the mainstream servers. Mobile and Desktop

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On 2 Apr 2015, at 10:16, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: - Other types beyond 'chat'. Seems to be something we want to have. And I would tend to put this into the carbons XEP too. I'm undecided about this. I think we could get away with just saying that normal+chat should be

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Kevin Smith
On 2 Apr 2015, at 09:08, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: iq type='set' enable xmlns='urn:xmpp:carbons:2' adv:xmlns='urn:xmpp:carbons:advanced:0' adv:reflection/ adv:archive-id/ adv:msgtype type='groupchat'/ adv:msgtype type='normal'/ adv:msgtype type='chat'/ /enable /iq This

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-02 Thread Matthieu Rakotojaona
Excerpts from Kevin Smith's message of 2015-04-02 11:07:57 +0100: On 2 Apr 2015, at 10:16, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: - Other types beyond 'chat'. Seems to be something we want to have. And I would tend to put this into the carbons XEP too. I'm undecided about

[Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-01 Thread Dave Cridland
Folks, Matthew Miller and Joe Hildebrand's Carbons XEP has been unchanged for 18 months, and represents a useful and well-deployed protocol, implemented in most (if not all) of the mainstream servers. Mobile and Desktop clients alike appear to implement this widely. I appreciate that the last

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-01 Thread Ben Langfeld
Seconded. On 1 April 2015 at 13:37, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: Folks, Matthew Miller and Joe Hildebrand's Carbons XEP has been unchanged for 18 months, and represents a useful and well-deployed protocol, implemented in most (if not all) of the mainstream servers. Mobile and

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-01 Thread Christian Schudt
I appreciate the idea, that it should advance to Draft. I’ve implemented it in Openfire and didn’t saw any major flaws in the spec. However, while I did, I often thought „why is it restricted to chat-type only?“. I think enhancing it to „normal“ messages is a good idea, e.g. to let

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-01 Thread Matthew Wild
On 1 April 2015 at 17:37, Dave Cridland d...@cridland.net wrote: Folks, Matthew Miller and Joe Hildebrand's Carbons XEP has been unchanged for 18 months, and represents a useful and well-deployed protocol, implemented in most (if not all) of the mainstream servers. Mobile and Desktop

Re: [Standards] Advancing XEP-0280 Carbons

2015-04-01 Thread Philipp Hancke
On 1 April 2015 at 17:37, Dave Cridland wrote: poor timing :-) +1 - Other types beyond 'chat'. see http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2014-August/029100.html