Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

Updates: On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 15:18, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 13:19, Sam Whited wrote: > >> > Note also that this is not intended to mean that any XMPP developer's >> > behaviour will be scrutinised constantly - using, for example, racist >> > language in a talk

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

Updates: On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 21:12, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 17:10, Kevin Smith wrote: > >> I’m just picking at replies here - as I said in the chatroom I think this >> is a generally positive direction and want to thank the people involved. >> (I did make two

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 22:02, Kevin Smith wrote: > I think there’s an implied statement that actions are somehow more > significant than non-actions, but I think that’s probably not true. Actions > are a statement that the behaviour was unacceptable, non-actions are a > statement that the

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

On 11 Jun 2021, at 21:57, Ralph Meijer wrote: > > > > On June 11, 2021 10:12:31 PM GMT+02:00, Dave Cridland > wrote: >> On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 17:10, Kevin Smith wrote: >> >> * "No person has any automatic right to join a chatroom, or write a XEP." >> in §3 ought to be something else,

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

> On 11 Jun 2021, at 21:12, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > > On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 17:10, Kevin Smith > wrote: > I’m just picking at replies here - as I said in the chatroom I think this is > a generally positive direction and want to thank the people involved. >

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

On June 11, 2021 10:12:31 PM GMT+02:00, Dave Cridland wrote: >On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 17:10, Kevin Smith wrote: > >* "No person has any automatic right to join a chatroom, or write a XEP." >in §3 ought to be something else, since writing a XEP doesn't need the >XSF's permission as such. > >I'm

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 17:10, Kevin Smith wrote: > I’m just picking at replies here - as I said in the chatroom I think this > is a generally positive direction and want to thank the people involved. > (I did make two suggestions there) > > For the record (and my notes), I'll paraphrase these

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

I’m just picking at replies here - as I said in the chatroom I think this is a generally positive direction and want to thank the people involved. (I did make two suggestions there) > On 11 Jun 2021, at 15:18, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > The Conduct Team will always hand its recommendation on

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 13:19, Sam Whited wrote: > > Note also that this is not intended to mean that any XMPP developer's > > behaviour will be scrutinised constantly - using, for example, racist > > language in a talk about your XMPP project would be problematic here, > > but using sexualised

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

Thanks for your comments. I'll let Dave respond in detail, except on this: On 11/06/2021 14.19, Sam Whited wrote: Also a general nit picky note for the editor: all the various hyphens should be converted to em-dashes and "a XEP" should be "an XEP" (I thought? Maybe that's not true in all

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

> Note also that this is not intended to mean that any XMPP developer's > behaviour will be scrutinised constantly - using, for example, racist > language in a talk about your XMPP project would be problematic here, > but using sexualised language in an unrelated setting is likely to be >

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

A boy with a hammer sees everything as a nail. A member of XSF has a clear procedure, so he sees everything as a XEP. However, imagine a fresh developer, who wants to create a messaging app, and has these available sets of documents: https://xmpp.org/extensions/ https://matrix.org/docs/spec/

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

Hi Andrew, Thank you for your feedback. When the XSF (then JSF) started publishing XEPs they were known as Jabber Enhancement Proposals. We modeled this after other organizations, in particular the well-known PEP series of the Python Software Foundation. It is explicitly the intent to

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 at 09:41, Andrew Nenakhov < andrew.nenak...@redsolution.com> wrote: > Yet another irrelevant document masquerading as a protocol extension. I > suggest stop using XEPs as an unsorted pile of various texts, or else > you'll soon have cookie recipes there. > If you want some

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

Yet another irrelevant document masquerading as a protocol extension. I suggest stop using XEPs as an unsorted pile of various texts, or else you'll soon have cookie recipes there. If you want some place for a CoC, just put in on a website in 'community' section next to 'membership' page. чт, 10

[Standards] NEW: XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct)

Version 0.1.0 of XEP-0458 (Community Code of Conduct) has been released. Abstract: This document describes the XMPP Standard Foundation's Code of Conduct Changelog: Accept as Experimental after unanimous approval by Board of the ProtoXEP draft for discussion within the community. (XEP Editor