Re: [Standards] Authorization over HTTP

2007-11-08 Thread Richard Dobson
Have a look at the following XEP which I worked on in the past: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0101.html If I am getting what you are trying to do correctly I think this is the sort of thing you might be after.

[Standards] Reconnections and fast reauth

2007-11-08 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Nov 7 23:29:47 2007, Fabio Forno wrote: On Nov 7, 2007 11:53 PM, Dave Cridland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Hmm, this reminds me, I need to get around to finishing and publishing an I-D before the deadline on fast reauth). Perhaps I'm missing something... Fast reauth? You mean just a

Re: [Standards] Authorization over HTTP

2007-11-08 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 07-11-2007, Śr o godzinie 15:33 -0800, anders conbere pisze: Example work flow == User = user logging into a web application Consumer = The Web Application Service Provider = Users Jabber Server Use requests access to an xmpp api from the Consumer Consumer redirects the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0020: Feature Negotiation issue

2007-11-08 Thread Tomasz Sterna
Dnia 07-11-2007, Śr o godzinie 19:42 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre pisze: [NOTE: XEP-0020 is wrong when it shows an IQ-get in Example 1, that should be an IQ-set -- I think this is a simple typo. For instance that's what we have in XEP-0095 and XEP-0096.] We talked about it on jdev, and noticed

Re: [Standards] Binary data over XMPP

2007-11-08 Thread Fabio Forno
On Nov 8, 2007 9:52 AM, Tomasz Sterna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia 08-11-2007, Cz o godzinie 00:29 +0100, Fabio Forno pisze: One of the reasons I tend to use id bosh is the ability of keeping the session open when the client temporary disconnects XEP-0198: Stanza Acknowledgements already

Re: [Standards] XEP-0020: Feature Negotiation issue

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 07-11-2007, Śr o godzinie 19:42 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre pisze: [NOTE: XEP-0020 is wrong when it shows an IQ-get in Example 1, that should be an IQ-set -- I think this is a simple typo. For instance that's what we have in XEP-0095 and XEP-0096.] We talked about it

Re: [Standards] XEP-0060: pubsub feature for RFC 5023?

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 07-11-2007, Śr o godzinie 14:47 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre pisze: It might be cool for pubsub services to offer in-bound publishing via AtomPub (RFC 5023). Shall we define a discoverable feature for that? I don't quite get what you mean. ;-) Ah, sorry, more context

[Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On August 29 I posted to this list about some provisional changes that Joe Hildebrand and I made to XEP-0115: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-August/016619.html Some discussion ensued here: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-August/016655.html

Re: [Standards] Authorization over HTTP

2007-11-08 Thread anders conbere
On Nov 8, 2007 4:25 AM, Tomasz Sterna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia 07-11-2007, Śr o godzinie 15:33 -0800, anders conbere pisze: Example work flow == User = user logging into a web application Consumer = The Web Application Service Provider = Users Jabber Server Use

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I will post version 1.5pre6 soon to incorporate the foregoing consensus. Well soon was rather immediate. :) http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0115-1.5.html Diff from 1.5pre5: http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0115.xml?r1=1194r2=1362

Re: [Standards] Authorization over HTTP

2007-11-08 Thread anders conbere
Perhaps an example use case would be in order I like to write socialy networked applications, I don't like to write them for the benefit of a locked in platform (facebook, myspace, linkedin), and I don't want to have to create my own locked in network. So I looked at the jabber network, it

Re: [Standards] s2s blocking of abusive users

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ah, a reputation system. :) I think basically we want to send an abuse report -- something more generic than XEP-0161, since not all that abuses is spam. What the sending domain does with that abuse report is up to the sending domain. But when the receiving domain terminates s2s communications

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: How exactly do 1.3 clients break if in 1.4+ the nodes are things like: http://code.google.com/p/exodus/#0.9.1 http://psi-im.org/#0.11 Again it's a special URL at the software website. The only potential problem

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Yes it seems a bit funny to have a 'v' attribute: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-August/016680.html As usual, Rachel is the voice of reason. I don't mind her proposal; however, I still don't think the algorithm needs

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:12 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: How exactly do 1.3 clients break if in 1.4+ the nodes are things like: http://code.google.com/p/exodus/#0.9.1 http://psi-im.org/#0.11 Again it's a special URL at the software website. The only potential problem is the inclusion of the '#'

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Rachel Blackman
A version is only interesting if you know the software that it goes with. Unfortunately all we have is a URI, which means for any sane display I need a table of URI-software name mappings, and thus I can only display versions for software I know about. That seems limiting. Not really;

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Rachel Blackman
However, from an user perspective... what is the interest of showing different icon per client. Imagine that it's a presence-only device, like a phone, for example. Arguably, this should be a defined value used in the identity element -- identity category='client' type='presence'

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Justin Karneges
On Thursday 08 November 2007 4:03 pm, Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Justin Karneges wrote: Maybe in addition to Peter's proposed 'v' attribute, we could have an 'n' attribute for the name. This should allow for generic display. Doesn't that come back in the identity

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Yes it seems a bit funny to have a 'v' attribute: http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-August/016680.html As usual, Rachel is the voice of reason. I know! I tried to convince her to run for XMPP

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0166 (Jingle)

2007-11-08 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.18 of XEP-0166 (Jingle) has been released. Abstract: This document defines a framework for initiating and managing peer-to-peer multimedia sessions (e.g., voice and video chat) between two Jabber/XMPP endpoints in a way that is interoperable with existing Internet standards.

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Joe Hildebrand
On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Olivier Goffart wrote: I think they should not use that XEP for that. Too late. There is jabber:iq:version for that. I hope not. That was the whole reason we wrote this XEP in the first place! And if we want to avoid sending a jabber:iq:version to each, we

Re: [Standards] Minor typo in rfc3920bis-04 draft

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mailing Lists wrote: Hi, I've spotted a trivial typo in http://www.xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-04.html section 12.3: accorfdance Maybe this has been caught by a spellchecker already, but I thought I'd report anyway. ;-) The only spellchecker I use is my brain.

Re: [Standards] s2s blocking of abusive users

2007-11-08 Thread Joe Hildebrand
What if it was phrased in terms of reputation feedback? On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:15 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Recently on the jabber.org IM service we found that certain accounts at other domains were sending abuusive traffic. Unfortunately we did not have a way to ask the sending domain to

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115: version 1.5 revisited

2007-11-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Olivier Goffart wrote: Le jeudi 8 novembre 2007, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : 5. Objections to the Council change in version 1.4 specifying that the value of the 'node' attribute should be ProductURL#SoftwareVersion. I think we should not recommend to add the version number in the node at