Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-27 Thread Graham Leggett
Edgar P Dollin wrote: 1) It is fine that the basic tags in struts don't emit non-standard html, but why do struts tags have to 'police' the emission of non-html. For many intranet style projects, non standard html is important to achieve specific required functionality. To deny the need for

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
Chris Gastin wrote: As I can tell from the list I have opened topic that is pretty well beaten. Let me first apologize. I did not realize this was such a political topic in the Struts community. There was a time when we were encouraging people to use the JSTL, and there was a political bent

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Edgar P Dollin
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:07 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text David Graham wrote: There are 3 things that earn my -1 on tag enhancements: 1. Functionality already provided by the JSTL. Just as an aside, I believe

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread David Graham
--- Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Gastin wrote: As I can tell from the list I have opened topic that is pretty well beaten. Let me first apologize. I did not realize this was such a political topic in the Struts community. There was a time when we were encouraging people

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Sgarlata Matt
- Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text However, at this time, we have a Struts-el taglib in circulation. We even have a Struts-faces

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread David Graham
, September 26, 2003 5:07 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text David Graham wrote: There are 3 things that earn my -1 on tag enhancements: 1. Functionality already provided by the JSTL. Just as an aside, I believe by -1 David means

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread David Graham
--- Sgarlata Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text However, at this time, we have a Struts-el

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
Sgarlata Matt wrote: Of course if I really want that I should probably just use Velocity, huh? ;) +1. I do =:) -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Sgarlata Matt
- Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 1:02 AM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text --- Robert Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Graham wrote: --- Sgarlata Matt [EMAIL

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
In the beginning, there was no Jakarta Taglibs, or inkling of something like JSTL. So, Craig bravely put together a useful implementation of some custom tags that did two things. First, they exposed the internals of the Struts Controller framework. Second, they provided some basic

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-26 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
that already exist? Edgar Craig -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:07 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text David Graham wrote: There are 3 things that earn my -1 on tag

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Edgar P Dollin
You could use a JSP expression to output the readonly='true' attribute of the html:text or use the html-el library and use jstl to evaluate the attribute. Edgar -Original Message- From: Chris Gastin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:29 AM To: [EMAIL

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, and probably has been implemented several times extending the Struts tags. I am not opposed to such a feature, and would support it, though other committers might not. The key argument against it is that it would transform the html

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Sgarlata Matt
attribute, but I just included it as an example. Just a thought... Matt - Original Message - From: Robert Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Yes, This has been brought

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Edgar P Dollin
Message- From: Robert Leland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 12:23 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, and probably has been implemented several times

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Sgarlata Matt wrote: Has anyone ever discussed adding a general-purpose attributes attribute to the html tag library to support non-standard HTML like this? For example, Yes, it was vetoed by several committers. Search the archives.

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, and probably has been implemented several times extending the Struts tags. I am not opposed to such a feature

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
--- Robert Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, and probably has been implemented several times extending the Struts tags. I am not opposed to such a feature, and would support it, though other committers might not. The key

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
David Graham wrote: --- Robert Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, This has been brought up many times over the last 3 years, and probably has been implemented several times extending the Struts tags. I am not opposed to such a feature, and would support it, though other committers might not.

Forking Struts taglibs[ was Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text]

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Edgar P Dollin wrote: If the tags were structured differently so they were easier to extend without breaking when new releases of struts come out these issues might not come up. Of course, I myself have resigned myself to this issue since the tags are such a political football on this list.

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Edgar P Dollin wrote: If the tags were structured differently so they were easier to extend without breaking when new releases of struts come out these issues might not come up. Of course, I myself have resigned myself to this issue since the tags are such a political football on this list.

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Edgar P Dollin
, September 25, 2003 2:23 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text It's only a political football in the sense that most of the current committers would prefer not to work on the HTML tags. If other folks came to the fore and committed themselves

RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
emit HTML 4.01 or XHMTL 1.0, only a 'thin' layer over standard html tags, etc. Edgar -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 2:23 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Niall Pemberton
] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Whenever tag extendability enhancements are discussed, we always hear complaints from a vocal minority but no tested working patches show up. I haven't heard any good

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Sgarlata Matt
a pain.) Matt - Original Message - From: Robert Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Sgarlata Matt wrote: Has anyone ever discussed adding a general-purpose attributes

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Sgarlata Matt
a pain.) Matt - Original Message - From: Robert Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Sgarlata Matt wrote: Has anyone ever discussed adding a general-purpose attributes

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Sgarlata Matt wrote: Has anyone ever discussed adding a general-purpose attributes attribute to the html tag library to support non-standard HTML like this? For example, Yes

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
willing to work on those as well. Does this sound reasonable? David Niall - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 9:39 PM Subject: RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text Whenever

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Gastin
PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 3:39 PM Subject: RE: Editable Fields V/S Static Text --- Edgar P Dollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is more than a 'preference' based on the rapidity with which INVALID or WONTFIX is stamped

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Don Brown
To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text It's only a political football in the sense that most of the current committers would prefer not to work on the HTML tags. If other folks came to the fore and committed themselves to supporting those

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Niall Pemberton
Sounds good. I'll put some thought into it. Niall - Original Message - From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:09 AM Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text --- Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
David Graham wrote: --- Sgarlata Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's another idea. I searched the archives for it and couldn't find it. How about two simple changes: 1) Add a new renderExtraAttributes() method that gives people the chance to throw non-standard HTML into their tags that

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Chris Gastin
Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text David Graham wrote: --- Sgarlata Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's another idea. I searched the archives for it and couldn't find it. How about two simple changes: 1) Add a new renderExtraAttributes() method that gives people

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread Robert Leland
Chris Gastin wrote: Rob: I am not an contributer, but I am a young developer. I am willing to step up and support these abilities in the struts tags Great ! I have come to believe that young/single developers older/grown kids/empty nesters developers are better situated to be Open Source

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
, 2003 2:23 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text It's only a political football in the sense that most of the current committers would prefer not to work on the HTML tags. If other folks came to the fore and committed themselves

Re: Editable Fields V/S Static Text

2003-09-25 Thread David Graham
--- Robert Leland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Graham wrote: --- Sgarlata Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's another idea. I searched the archives for it and couldn't find it. How about two simple changes: 1) Add a new renderExtraAttributes() method that gives people the