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From: Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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There are two things that I want/need in a persistence framework and I
have yet to find them
Peter A. J. Pilgrim wrote:
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October 04, 2002 5:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Persistence Framework Comparison?
There are two things that I want/need in a persistence framework
Does anybody know a of a decent comparison of Open Source persistence
frameworks?
I'm embarking on a big project without time to properly evaluate them.
So I need some help deciding.
Thanks,
A.
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Here's one from Cayenne: http://c2.com/cgi-bin/wiki?CayenneVsOther
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From: Adam Sherman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Does anybody know a of a decent
Isn't that always the case? :-(
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Galbreath, Mark wrote:
Isn't that always the case? :-(
No kidding, putting a ton of work into something only to realize that
that other tool could have done most of it for you is *very* unpleasant.
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Search the message list - this got asked just a few days ago. Or google
on Castor Torque Hibernate
Here's an interesting letter that might help:
http://www.mail-archive.com/mav-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg00190.html
Personally, I've been using Torque for two projects now and I think it's
the
It is possible that one could change persistence later. Been there done
that, got the T -Shirt.
There is JDO, Jakarta ORB, my own DAORowSet, Simper, EJB, etc. etc.
Now, so that I can change persistance, my bean calls the persistance via
an very simple interface and via the interface only!.
At 2:31 PM -0400 2002/10/04, V. Cekvenich wrote:
(I wish Struts had a non implemented persistance interface)
Really? I think Struts is quite good at what it does, and to me,
persistence seems to outside the scope of a web application MVC
framework.
Why do you wish that Struts had this?
(I wish Struts had a non implemented persistance interface)
Really? I think Struts is quite good at what it does, and to me,
persistence seems to outside the scope of a web application MVC
framework.
Agreed. Struts does what it does best - web MVC framework. What the
original author of
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From: James Higginbotham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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(I wish Struts had a non implemented persistance interface)
Really? I think Struts
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, James Higginbotham wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:11:53 -0500
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Subject: Persistence Framework Comparison?
Does anybody know a of a decent comparison of Open Source persistence
frameworks?
I'm embarking on a big project without time to properly evaluate them.
So I need some help deciding.
Thanks,
A.
--
Adam Sherman
Software Developer
Teach
But, I'm curious why you think there would be any glue code
needed? Isn't it just a matter of using the persistence
framework directly from your DAOs (or from your Actions if
you don't use DAOs)? At most, I could only conceive of
perhaps providing a Struts PlugIn to initialize such a
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 13:39:10 -0700 (PDT)
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, James Higginbotham wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:11:53 -0500
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: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:11:53 -0500
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(I wish Struts had a non implemented persistance interface)
Really? I
want more info.
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Oh, then what you are looking for is the ODMG API for object databases,
Sun's JDO (not Castor's
David,
...what I would recommend happen on top of Struts. Something
that takes Struts, a proven OSS O/R framework, and some glue to make
DB-driven Struts applications faster to develop.
...
But if one existed, I'd problem knock out a couple of pet
projects faster.
One exists. :)
: RE: Persistence Framework Comparison?
David,
...what I would recommend happen on top of Struts. Something
that takes Struts, a proven OSS O/R framework, and some glue to make
DB-driven Struts applications faster to develop.
...
But if one existed, I'd problem knock out a couple
'
Subject: RE: Persistence Framework Comparison?
We have just released a free download for our eQ! software which you
might want to take a look at: www.browsersoft.com/eQ
The demo app is built using Struts for the controller, JSTL for taglibs,
our persistence layer and our XML scripting engine
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From: Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 3:00 PM
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There are two things that I want/need in a persistence
framework and I have
yet
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote:
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 15:28:34 -0600
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I think you missed the point. Yes, JDO lets
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I think you missed the point. Yes, JDO lets you program to
an interface
with multiple vendors
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Joe Barefoot wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:00:04 -0700
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Joe Barefoot wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:00:04 -0700
My wish was for a persistence or a ADO interface, and interface only, in
Jakarta or else where respected.
If there were such an interface one could switch from JDO to ORB to OJB
to EJB to Simper to DAORowset to xyz, assuming other followed the
interface. Let them compete.
Such interfaces
Cool desgin!
One comment is that ... it might be a bit harder to make it OO/reusable
implementation. (my version has CRUD that uses reflection )
With a single interface there could be more reuse.
Curios, how do you do reuse?
.V
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My wish was for a persistence or a ADO interface, and
interface only, in
Jakarta or else where respected.
If there were such an interface one could switch from JDO to
ORB to OJB
to EJB to Simper to DAORowset to xyz
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Cool desgin!
One comment is that ... it might be a bit harder to make it OO/reusable
implementation. (my version has CRUD that uses reflection )
With a single interface there could be more reuse.
Curios, how do you do reuse?
.V
Reuse? Hmm... I guess you don't reuse much at that
a persist only fields
that are changed, then the method can take in a class of type Method.
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But, I cannot guarantee that the view I am reading from is
updateable so I
How can you not guarantee this if you are creating the data
model? I don't understand.
1 - I cannot guarantee the database that I will be using. Customer
requirements and all that other rot.
2 - On one of
.
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| Is it free? Where can I download this?
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I've always thought of a DAO not as an Adapter pattern as what you are
describing, but as an external Table Gateway. BO interfaces and even
the implementing classes shouldn't need to know how to persist itself or
even what to persist to (XML, DB, IO). That is up to the implementing
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I've always thought of a DAO not as an Adapter pattern as what you are
describing, but as an external Table Gateway. BO interfaces and even
the implementing classes shouldn't need to know how to persist
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I've always thought of a DAO not as an Adapter pattern as what you are
describing, but as an external Table Gateway. BO
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On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Joe Barefoot wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:00
I'm concerned about the piece of your code that returns a Method object.
I
assume this is the Method class from the reflection package. It doesn't
strike me as a very good use of reflection and poor OO technique. Of
course, your code snippet doesn't show what you ultimately do with the
It did come up briefly. The Jakarta OJB project uses Torque under the
covers as well.
Dave
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| I've always thought of a DAO not as an Adapter pattern as what you
are
| describing, but as an external Table Gateway. BO interfaces and
even
| the implementing classes shouldn't need to know how to persist
itself or
| even what to persist to (XML, DB, IO). That is up to the
implementing
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From: Robert J. Sanford, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:14 PM
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But, I cannot guarantee that the view I am reading from is
updateable so I
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, David Graham wrote:
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:44:14 -0600
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Craig,
It's good to see some MySQL bashing
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Dan Cancro wrote:
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:53:42 -0700
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This made me think
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| I'm concerned about the piece of your code that returns a Method
object.
| I
| assume
at some point in the future, according to
one of the OJB developers 'round here.
peace,
Joe
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From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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It did
On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 15:28, David Graham wrote:
This is a layer above all persistence frameworks (JDBC, JDO, EJB, OJB,
etc.)
that your application programs to. If you decide to change persistence
frameworks, most of your code remains unchanged because it doesn't know
which one you're using.
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But, I cannot guarantee that the view I am reading from is
updateable so I
How can you not guarantee this if you are creating the data
model? I don't understand
Regardless, it uses torque.
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:55:37 -0700
No, it doesn't, not for any
it to parse configuration
files?
peace,
Joe
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From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Regardless, it uses torque.
From: Joe Barefoot
Joe Barefoot wrote:
Yes, but it doesn't use it ..under the covers in any way, the implications of that
are quite different. OJB uses torque as a tool, just as another client application
would. It is in no way dependent on torque for its core functionality.
^^ That's what I was getting at ^^
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