On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What I meant to say is that all the good things we get from a bespoke
packaging format, we can get from rpm with a few conventions as to the
directories where things land.
A couple of additional notes from a private
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Sebastian Silva
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's reasonably likely that the XS will be an OpenID IDP (noting all
the serious caveats around OpenID that make it a phishing-magnet), but
_first_ the laptop needs to identify itself to the xS.
Ok yes I did
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Luke Faraone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 17:42, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If we could switch to https easily, we could skip all this song and
dance and just use client certs.
Why can't we, exactly? More and more non
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Ivan Krstić
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can we please not duke out the issues with OpenID on this particular list?
+1. Two quick notes to Sebastian - Ben's criteria on security and the
internet is surprisingly important as he's one of the key devs behind
the apache
edge enough to
justify this, IMHO.
cheers,
martin langhoff
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On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:49 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fedora does not have a standard solution either, so I'm not sure
where you're going with this. We have to invent something. RPM is
not obviously the right solution.
So Fedora doesn't use rpm files for localization
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 7:34 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please re-read Sayamindu's original message. Thanks.
I don't find anything too special there. Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier.
What I meant to say is that all the good things we get from a bespoke
packaging format, we can
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Sebastian Silva
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's a different model. We want the openID _provider_ to be either on the
laptop itself or on the school server. Since the _server_ has a changing
FQDN, this becomes harder. The solution would be to propose a change to
Thanks for your opening email - one quick comment...
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:56 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's one example. I would also like any Web server to be able to extract
the XO identity and use it in CGI (e.g. PHP) for processing.
the plan for that is that
1 - the
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* 767 can't connect to ejabberd on XS 0.4 because they use incompatible
versions of GNU TLS.
H. All the XO 8.2 testing has been done againstXS 0.4 so categorically
we can assert: vanilla 767 interoperates with
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
... lots of interesting things...
I'm very happy that the Sugar folks are in town -- under whatever
alibi -- and I'm keen on meeting, having a beer together and perhaps
talking a few technical things too ;-) After all,
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Switching to XMLRPC?! This seems like some massive sidestep which would
break the existing stuff as well as preventing any code sharing between
Telepathy apps on Sugar and Telepathy apps on any other Linux platforms.
D-Bus
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Brendan R. Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to propose a discussion on making the collaboration a bit more
standards compliant. The idea would be to get sugar to function more
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've started http://wiki.laptop.org/go/API_changes to track Sugar and
system API changes between releases. It's not very comprehensive so
far - contributions welcome.
Little nag: how about qualifiying that it's about the
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 7:41 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alternatively I can subclass Activity to SharableActivity or something
like that, and add the telepathy/tubes helper code in there.
Subclassing is tight coupling in a place where you definitely want
loose coupling. I would
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 5:00 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sounds good, it's on the list of the things I'd really like to do but
I'm too swamped to put focus on :(
Ah, great to hear I'm not so lost in the woods!
- journal behaviour - though it might be relatively simple
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Ed McNierney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The OLPC XOCamp event being planned for November 17 – 21 is being postponed
until January, 2009. The Fedora FUDCON conference is in Boston on January 9
Oops. I kind of saw that coming when fudcon was postponed. I'll sort
my
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 4:31 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 8:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
can's mdns/avahi help with discovery? it'd be a shame to have to
manually configure a server address or name.
DNS-SD is the Right Answer (which is not exactly
Ok - I had missed the whole thread in my earlier reply.
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 9:24 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
*But*, we should be able to:
* Print postscript (or pdf, or whatever, just pick *one*) to
school server via CUP (IPP?), and install a decent selection of
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:03 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we're on the same page here. For 9.1, what's the *least* work
we can do to get *something* done on the printing front?
Fantastic!
Once the
basics are out there, hopefully we'll have community motivated to
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 3:05 AM, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please stop imagining that lowest-spec, cheapest hardware and crippleware is
the answer - or that 3'rd World countries will never progress towards a
reasonable standard. That attitude is patronizing and demeaning. And wrong.
Hey -
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sugar offers an excellent mode for discovery but no excellent way to
manipulate narratives. Both discovery and narrative are essential for
learning. [1]
I am catching up with this. What Bryan writes is correct, but I
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Offline moodle needs a lot of work to get working properly and really
doesn't receive the attention it deserves.
Not yet :-) but attention to Offline Moodle will increase...
Offline moodle currently does not work very at all
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
these questions depend on the actual code that performs the restore.
I'm going to comment on what happens when the user clicks on an entry
from Browse (the only restore mechanism that is available today).
Tomeu and I had a
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:13 AM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With this in mind, the goal of creating new mailing lists is not to
fragment the existing community. It is to create footholds for other
communities to develop around the central learning platform.
It's about economies of
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:57 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK I think I get it.
Isn't the Icon in the journal always the same for any given activity?
They are talking about _documents_, not _programs_. The word
activity is just wrong here to designate either :-p
The screenshots are
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It seems to me that the XO had stacked my last keypress (the F3),
and upon resuming Sugar had fed in that stack.
I've seen this too, and been annoyed by it. My theory is different - X
is catching the /release/ event of
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Kevin Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
want to update them. I tell it to install/upgrade them all. It says
Downloading but the progress bar never progresses, and it appears to
be doing a whole lot of nothing.
FWIW, it worked for me. One of the activity downloads
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is there a better / handier way?
On first boot, it found my local School Server and up a big Software
Update window popped, and said do you want to install all these
activities.
Colour me impressed. Bravo!
Now, who's
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:43 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There is probably a bug in the mplayer wrapper (are you using an
mplayer 'activity' wrapper?) in that it's not getting rid of the
overlay setup when it loses focus
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 12:45 AM, Morgan Collett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In my experience the activity developer community has lost many
participants already. Perhaps they weren't going to stay anyway,
beyond an initial
...
I personally found the best approach was to follow all communication
Hi Mikus,
just to clarify: you are playing with *alpha*, *proof-of-concept*
software that Scott is spinning just to test the waters. I am not sure
if you are kidding, but your email sounds pretty short-tempered. Open
mind, a sense of humour and a where can I help attitude welcome when
looking at
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Morgan Collett
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am happy to take on making this communication happen but I really
think we need this list.
FWIW, Sugar + activities are still somewhat tightly coupled, as Sugar
and the underlying OS API are changing. As long as that is
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are trying to lock down the firewall on the XS to only allow the
services which are needed.
For whatever reason we can no long access ejabberd from the XO's
1. the fully-qualified ejabberd name is correct on the XO's
On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently, I have on two occasions with Joyride (2229+, 2232) pressed
ctl-alt-erase in order to restart Sugar. Both times. when Sugar
came up, the Journal screen told me 'Your journal is empty'.
If unwanted emptying of
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jerry Williams wrote:
| Seems like this problem for linux was solved with RPM.
| With rpm if something is missing for something you want to install, it
| complains and won't let you install it.
That's not really
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just got word from a decision maker in Uruguay that they are very
concerned about performance. They say that Sugar is slow. I'm probing
to get more details but I want to evaluate the options in parallel.
While I think
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my
reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are
a few initial comments.
Excellent analysis. +1 on it, and a couple of minor
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I regard fully pythonic python data as a subgraph of a
reference-counted object graph. So far as I know, Python has lots of
interesting ways to parse bytestreams into object graphs, but no great
way to read an object
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What _should_ be happening in this thread is the collection of use
cases.
For a small selection of the issues involved, please refer to
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Commentaries/Bundles_1
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Version (activity_version) is just some sortable entity to be agreed
Please do read back on this - now lenghty - discussion. Unfortunately,
any monotonically increasing version does _not_ work, thanks to the
magic of
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, sorry, I've clearly accidentally wandered in to a room full of hardcore
:-) Sorry about the dry tone of my reply. I was trying, perhaps too
hard, to avoid this thread regressing into silly-land.
The current scheme is
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an extensive discussion on this topic a while back on IRC,
Version numbers are used to communicate API/ABI compat and degree/type
of changes to users. Later in this thread Eben suggests what everyone
else in the
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would be happy to whip up a universal approximate ordering for version
strings in a few lines of Python. My emphasis here is on _approximate_;
nothing should depend on precisely correct interpretation of version
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Ivan Krstić
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jul 12, 2008, at 11:59 PM, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
Which IDMR - the sun one with all the usual/heavily standardized
industry protocols - or something OLPC specific ?
It's not a protocol, just a small Python script
I am going to add some MIME types for Apache on the XO
- application/vnd.olpc-sugar xo
- application/vnd.olpc-content xol
- application/vnd.olpc-journal-entry xoj
The above list comes from a bit of Googling about. Are there any other
mime types that we care about?
cheers,
m
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 5:32 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is an interesting article on google's code site about using Google
Gears and Greasemonkey to take wikipedia and make it work offline... This
I am in general interested in that track, though it is hard to beat
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 5:37 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a) SSL overhead being impractical? Come on. You can use SSL on the
browser today; there is no perceptible speed difference. I agree that
client certs may be impractical, but it won't be because the XO can't
handle the
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Martin -- You state that ssl at the network layer is significant. The
question is when and how much must ssl be used to authenticate with client
certs? I believe it only needs to be used during initial authentication and
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can also anticipate Javascript performance may become an issue as its
use continues to increase.
Confirming this - to work with XS-based tools nicely, JS and related
tools (gears) support is a must.
cheers,
m
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I can certainly produce a proof of concept for the first,
using client certs via Scott's Firefox 3. I don't think it is as hard as
you think, and I promise to provide something concrete by the end of the
weekend.
Thanks!
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Martin Langhoff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please point me to your notes on this, if you would be so kind.
There aren't any, unfortunately. I had to read idmgr to understand the
protocol - so read the source. It is a trivial xml-rpc.
Ah, apologies, wrong answer
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Carol Lerche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is an assertion, not an argument. It is also factually incorrect.
And needless to argue over it if we can get instead some working code.
:-)
m
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:37 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Since a conversation on IRC got unexpectedly heated, let me restate my
personal philosophy for OLPC's relationships with upstream:
I am surprised this got heated, you are right, and this isn't even
controversial. This
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 6:17 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think we're all agreed that even small forks have large long-term
costs, and we'd prefer to avoid them where at all possible -- which we
all agree seems to be the case at present.
Here I disagree - small and medium
Carol,
give me some credit :-) I know that FF works well with client certs
and apache has no problem with it. I've been coding apache/ssl aware
apps since '98...
What sort of patch are you looking for?
Well, there is quite a bit of thinking that needs to happen here, and
I am working on
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 5:30 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another thing I forgot to mention is that I go the source from the google
gears svn trunk (the only place the source is available) and I'm a little
unsure what to put into SOURCES of the rpmbuild, as the svn checkout
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:50 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The developers seem highly motivated to do something that would work for
olpc too, its basically their Master's thesis, and they seem to have a good
Cool. It will be great if they can help :-)
In terms of Adobe AIR, I
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:19 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, after looking a bit deeper into it, AIR isn't entirely open source,
though it uses open source parts which are interesting to us (sqlite for
example)
Thanks for confirming that.
Let's wait to see what Bryan from
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:01 AM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm currently working with OLE Nepal to find the best solution for
synchronising online and offline course material via Moodle. There are
currently 2 projects that do exactly this via different mechanisms, though
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I will be speaking w/ a potential full-time volunteer today who has some
significant web development experience. I will discuss w/ him the
possibility of working almost entirely on offline Moodle for the next 12
months. He
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is there any patch I have forgotten and that should get in before
tomorrow feature freeze?
Also, please remind to the list any bug fixes already with code
waiting to get in after the feature freeze.
your datastore store
On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You ended up with
Lots of accusations :-( Have you successfully negotiated with hw
vendors over innovative gear at very low cost in the past?
We do make mistakes, and in some cases there are tradeoffs. It's part
of doing
Typo - I should have written:
Grandstanding about the mistakes made is cheap, with the advantage that most
people aren't
familiar with the issues at hand.
Albert also wrote
Minus the dollar figures of course, getting contracts out in
public would be very good for you. Groklaw would be a
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 4:45 AM, Christoph Derndorfer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you're basically looking for someone who doesn't mind being despised
by both OLPC staff (God, s/he keeps bugging me, how annoying!) and the
community (s/he knows more than s/he's telling us).
Nah. We all want to
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lots of things that we do don't meet any normal expectations of a
'company'. Most people at OLPC will tell you we are not a 'company'.
...
I have been trying to understand it, explain it, live with it ,
and improve it for a
2008/5/16 Yama Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
original message follows El problema al que hacía referencia es que
conocemos el funcionamiento
de la malla en sí, lo que no hemos podido lograr es realizar una
actividad colaborativa tal como se supone que debería ser.
Hasta donde entiendo,
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A note about groups, from a discusion today:
If there are multiple classes, and students figure out how to change their
nick c, it would be helpful to be able to have approve-only groups to avoid
griefers popping in and
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We'll be having our weekly status meeting tomorrow at 2:00 PM EST in
#olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org.
Alright! That's a 6AM'er for me, but I'll be there ;-)
cheers,
martin
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 22.04.2008 02:13, Michael Stone wrote:
What in this description of events leads you to the conclusion that OLPC
is shriveling up and dying?
Perhaps not shriveling up, but quite a few
2008/4/22 Holger Levsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Ion also has an quite difficult upstream author.
I'd suggest you look into awesome, see http://awesome.naquadah.org/
Looks nice. Trade difficult author for bad-choice-of-name? ;-)
cheers,
m
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On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Benj. Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Martin Langhoff
Personally, I have been dreaming of a mix between ion3 and Sugar's
4-zoom-stages. Talking with some hard-core ion3 friends, they seemed
to be convinced
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the goal exactly? I can only spot two real differences from
how the Sugar shell currently works:
...
Is there anything I'm missing? Is the point to be able to run desktop
applications?
Yes. A Sugar-like
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:10 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Anyhow, speaking as someone who has only very recently gotten involved
| with the project, I can say that the Sugar interface was one of the
| most appealing things to me. I'm sure there are other potential
|
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| sufficiently generic to encompass multiple versions. I do not fully
| grasp the layering between GIO and GVFS.
Be aware that GIO/GVFS are very high level. In other words, they work
for the Gnome guys because
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Here I'd have to say that, despite the knowledge that all activities
will run fullscreen, we should try to avoid developing to a particular
piece of hardware (and it's resolution).
Hmmm. That sounds impossible. Your
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:02 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
# time python -c import compileall;
compileall.compile_dir('/usr/share/activities/TamTamEdit.activity/',
force=True, quiet=True)
real 0m3.902s
user 0m3.460s
sys 0m0.440s
All measurements were made
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Jim Gettys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We'll be having a software status meeting on irc.freenode.net /
#olpc-meeting today (Wednesday) at 2pm EST.
Damn - that was right through a meeting - are the IRC logs archived anywhere?
cheers,
m
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