Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 21:10, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Today I've kick-started a newbie on building Sugar to fix a small bug and submit his first patch. It was just painful. jhbuild has plenty of rough corners and we could easily make things easier with a few changes: 1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of external projects. They break very often, and we cannot fix them. Let's instead upgrade manually every once in a while after some testing. We are supposed to be doing this already, which modules are not following this rule? 2) Do not build C modules that is already available (and recent enough) in popular distros. Specifically: abiword, matchbox, hippocanvas... About abiword, we have been depending lately on modifications not released on a tarball, but 2.7.0 was released recently and it should contain all we need for now. If during 0.85 we need to hack further on it, we may need to create unstable tarballs ourselves. Also, not all distros are building it a way it can be used by Sugar, we should check. About hippo, we are the only users, so it can be considered as any other Sugar module. About xulrunner, we often want to test with the version that is going to ship on the next distro releases, plus some distros still don't package it in a way usable by Sugar (we should fix this). 3) Let's move etoys away from the base set of components: the repository is often offline, building it breaks very often, and it takes a lot of time. You don't need it in order to test Sugar, the same way you don't need TamTam and TurtleArt. I guess this makes sense, though would be good to hear people who hack on eToys in Sugar. 4) We could check for prerequisites before starting the build. Some configure scripts are stupid enough to fail tests silently and proceed anyway using no as a command name in make :-) We are supposed to be doing this already. If it's not working then we should fix it. If there's consensus on implementing one or more of these points, I can provide patches (or just go on and commit them). Totally, Sascha is the maintainer so coordinate with him. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
On 05/20/09 23:29, NoiseEHC wrote: When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. Can we get rid of that? (I have no idea how to detect the distro or how to automate that just to let you know this fact...) You mean for installing dependencies? This requires root privileges, so jhbuild can't do it on its own. Besides, we used to have some distro-specific dependency check in the past, but I someone (marcopg?) ripped it off, probably because it was a pita to maintain. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Sugar-Developers meeting REMINDER (21 May, 2009 - 14.00 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting
Hey, after a long absence - we try to reanimate the developers meetings. Since most of the developers are not full time working on Sugar the meetings are a good way to synchronize the efforts, besides the asynchronous discussion at sugar-devel. This week we will talk about the 0.86 Roadmap. Discussion has been started at the SugarCamp in Paris last weekend. A summary can be found at: http://erikos.sweettimez.de/?p=678 There is as well Jeff Elkner's presentation of the Sugar Labs DC project that involves students at GCTAA (and beyond) in creating software Activities for Sugar. The meeting is as well in #sugar-meeting at 16:15 (UTC) http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-May/014295.html See you today, Simon ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:40, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On 05/20/09 23:29, NoiseEHC wrote: When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. Can we get rid of that? (I have no idea how to detect the distro or how to automate that just to let you know this fact...) You mean for installing dependencies? This requires root privileges, so jhbuild can't do it on its own. Besides, we used to have some distro-specific dependency check in the past, but I someone (marcopg?) ripped it off, probably because it was a pita to maintain. Wasn't ripped off, but improved, we check for system dependencies in the supported platforms like this: ./sugar-jhbuild depscheck This will tell you which packages to install with yum/apt-get/etc. How can we make this more obvious? Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
Bernie Innocenti wrote: On 05/20/09 23:29, NoiseEHC wrote: When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. Can we get rid of that? (I have no idea how to detect the distro or how to automate that just to let you know this fact...) You mean for installing dependencies? This requires root privileges, so jhbuild can't do it on its own. Besides, we used to have some distro-specific dependency check in the past, but I someone (marcopg?) ripped it off, probably because it was a pita to maintain. I am talking about this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Jhbuild/Fedora As I told I do not know how difficult can it be to automate so if it would be a lot of work then of course you should not put too much work into it. BTW text like the dependency check will fail if you don't have a DISPLAY set does not mean too much for Windows people like me (I did manage to google the answer so it was not a question). ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 12:40, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On 05/20/09 23:29, NoiseEHC wrote: When I tried jhbuild what I found strange that it does not detect the Linux distro so I had to manually enter commands as it was specified on the wiki. Can we get rid of that? (I have no idea how to detect the distro or how to automate that just to let you know this fact...) You mean for installing dependencies? This requires root privileges, so jhbuild can't do it on its own. Besides, we used to have some distro-specific dependency check in the past, but I someone (marcopg?) ripped it off, probably because it was a pita to maintain. Wasn't ripped off, but improved, we check for system dependencies in the supported platforms like this: ./sugar-jhbuild depscheck This will tell you which packages to install with yum/apt-get/etc. How can we make this more obvious? Regards, Tomeu For example by autodetecting the Linux distro, it could create a full command line. Of course, if it could be automated then it should just say something: The following dependencies are missing: long list here. To install them, type in your root password: type here. Of course if it would be a lot of work you should not waste your time in it. And why shall I run jhbuild 3 times anyway? It could have a default option when it does an update then depscheck and then a build... ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Browse-101 for 0.82 and XS-0.6 interop
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org wrote: The G1G1 set of activities (1) on wiki.laptop.org was updated to include Browse-102, I believe at the time the composite image was created for 8.2.1. This version does appear to work on 8.2.1 and has your auto-login magic working with an updated XS 0.5.2. Ah! Excellent news! Can we get a definitive answer on which to use 101 or 102? IIRC, Simon's release also had a patch from Sayamindu. Not sure if that's in Daniel's version. In any case, both versions have tested a-ok with the XS :-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Browse-101 for 0.82 and XS-0.6 interop
2009/5/21 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: IIRC, Simon's release also had a patch from Sayamindu. Not sure if that's in Daniel's version. In any case, both versions have tested a-ok with the XS :-) Is there anything new in Simon's 101 that has appeared on activities.sugarlabs.org or is it identical to the one that was announced 1-2 months ago? My 102 is the Browse-101-for-8.2 that was announced 1-2 months ago, plus the fix for the ticket that I mentioned. So it should have all the other relevant patches and fixes, unless something was silently added since initial release. Daniel ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Browse-101 for 0.82 and XS-0.6 interop
On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: My 102 is the Browse-101-for-8.2 that was announced 1-2 months ago, plus the fix for the ticket that I mentioned. So it should have all the other relevant patches and fixes, unless something was silently added since initial release. Cool - thanks for the confirmation. My +1 for yours then :-) cheers, m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
On 05/21/09 10:03, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: 1) Stop checking out random unstable versions of external projects. They break very often, and we cannot fix them. Let's instead upgrade manually every once in a while after some testing. We are supposed to be doing this already, which modules are not following this rule? I'm looking at the glucose-external.modules, and I see these modules being checked out from the tip of the master branch: - squeak - hulahop - hippo-canvas 2) Do not build C modules that is already available (and recent enough) in popular distros. Specifically: abiword, matchbox, hippocanvas... About abiword, we have been depending lately on modifications not released on a tarball, but 2.7.0 was released recently and it should contain all we need for now. If during 0.85 we need to hack further on it, we may need to create unstable tarballs ourselves. Also, not all distros are building it a way it can be used by Sugar, we should check. And besides, abiword 2.7.0 is not yet in F11 nor Jaunty. About hippo, we are the only users, so it can be considered as any other Sugar module. Ok, but it's already packaged in all the distros we target, so why make people spend precious time building it from source? About xulrunner, we often want to test with the version that is going to ship on the next distro releases, plus some distros still don't package it in a way usable by Sugar (we should fix this). xulrunner now fails to build with gcc 4.4 (in F11) because of a tiny error in an #elif directive. Is there a way in jhbuild to apply patches to sources? xulrunner is also one of the worst compile time hog we have. If we could only build it on distros that require it, it would save a lot of trouble to a lot of developers. I'd vote for disabling it now and lazily wait to see if someone complains before actually adding a workaround. 3) Let's move etoys away from the base set of components: the repository is often offline, building it breaks very often, and it takes a lot of time. You don't need it in order to test Sugar, the same way you don't need TamTam and TurtleArt. I guess this makes sense, though would be good to hear people who hack on eToys in Sugar. Ok, although this shouldn't impair them in any way. We just move etoys to a module that regular users don't have to build by default. 4) We could check for prerequisites before starting the build. Some configure scripts are stupid enough to fail tests silently and proceed anyway using no as a command name in make :-) We are supposed to be doing this already. If it's not working then we should fix it. It's definitely not working, because we had to manually find out what was missing along the way. Do you have any idea where I should look? If there's consensus on implementing one or more of these points, I can provide patches (or just go on and commit them). Totally, Sascha is the maintainer so coordinate with him. OK. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
On 21.05.2009, at 01:03, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 21:10, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: Today I've kick-started a newbie on building Sugar to fix a small bug and submit his first patch. It was just painful. jhbuild has plenty of rough corners and we could easily make things easier with a few changes: [...] 3) Let's move etoys away from the base set of components: the repository is often offline, building it breaks very often, and it takes a lot of time. You don't need it in order to test Sugar, the same way you don't need TamTam and TurtleArt. I guess this makes sense, though would be good to hear people who hack on eToys in Sugar. I think the breaks very often assertion is unqualified. But sure, removing Etoys from the default build set should be fine. - Bert - ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Simplifying sugar-jhbuild
On 05/21/09 13:29, NoiseEHC wrote: I am talking about this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Jhbuild/Fedora As I told I do not know how difficult can it be to automate so if it would be a lot of work then of course you should not put too much work into it. BTW text like the dependency check will fail if you don't have a DISPLAY set does not mean too much for Windows people like me (I did manage to google the answer so it was not a question). You're right. Please, update the wiki with more information for newbies. -- // Bernie Innocenti - http://codewiz.org/ \X/ Sugar Labs - http://sugarlabs.org/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] TurtleArt-51
== .xo == http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/downloads/file/26052/turtle_art-51.xo == Source == http://download.sugarlabs.org/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-51.tar.bz2 == Features == * fixed problem with keyboard input on OLPC XO == Documentation == http://sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Turtle_Art enjoy and please report any problems Also, check out the screencasts on Dailymotion. http://www.dailymotion.com/user/sugarlabs/video/x9coz8_turtleartbasics_creation http://www.dailymotion.com/user/sugarlabs/video/x9cpzd_turtleartportfoliobasics_creation -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
[Sugar-devel] Dutch mirror
Hi all, A first mirror is live: ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/sugarlabs/ as return favor this link http://www.snt.utwente.nl/ should be mentioned on our site It sync every 24 hours, and have limited to 25G Kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] Dutch mirror
Hi All, I expect more mirror sites soon. So may we should have a mirror list on the wiki like: || full / limited || ftp/http || link || party || Shall I create one ? thanks, Marten On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 22:57 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Hi all, A first mirror is live: ftp://ftp.snt.utwente.nl/pub/software/sugarlabs/ as return favor this link http://www.snt.utwente.nl/ should be mentioned on our site It sync every 24 hours, and have limited to 25G Kind regards, Marten -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Dutch mirror
This is great work. Thanks. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Hi All, I expect more mirror sites soon. So may we should have a mirror list on the wiki like: || full / limited || ftp/http || link || party || Shall I create one ? Please do so. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] Dutch mirror
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 17:50 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: This is great work. Thanks. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Hi All, I expect more mirror sites soon. So may we should have a mirror list on the wiki like: || full / limited || ftp/http || link || party || Shall I create one ? Please do so. Here it is http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Mirrors Kind Regards, Marten -walter -- http://martenvijn.nl Marten Vijn http://martenvijn.nl/trac/wiki/soas Sugar on a Stick http://bsd.wifisoft.org/nek/ The Network Event Kit http://har2009.org 13th-16th August http://opencommunitycamp.org 26th Jul - 2nd August ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
