Re: [Sugar-devel] Heads Up: Sugar 0.87.4 coming to Rawhide

2010-02-15 Thread Mathieu Bridon
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 23:44, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:09:16PM -0300, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
 If the method suggested by Sebastian fails due to nasty dependencies,
 I'd be glad to backport the 0.86 or 0.87 packages to F11 for testers
 like you.

 Hopefully it won't take much time, just let me know if it's needed.

 It did indeed fail due to nasty dependencies and so I stopped
 investigation.  If you do what you suggest, then I'm more likely to
 test.

 My main reason for testing is part of diagnosis of the 0.84 problems
 encountered ... if I can test 0.86 or 0.87 and say this is fixed, then
 that opens up the possibility of either backporting the fix or closing
 the ticket as solved in a later release.

 There is a useful side effect of testing 0.86 or 0.87, but don't
 *expect* this to occur from me until we start using those versions in a
 build.  ;-}

You could also try installing what will soon become Fedora 13 Alpha:
http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/13-Alpha.TC2/Fedora/i386/iso/


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] TurtleArt-83

2010-02-15 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks. Can we have a While or Until block? Also, prefix logic blocks?
 Both would greatly simplify certain kinds of program. Also, how about
 reading the color under the Turtle?

Working on adding a While block. It is a little trick as I have to
keep the bool around to reevaluation.

Color under the turtle I hope to add when I switch over to Cairo (the
current canvas style is write-only).

-walter

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:57, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a new refactored version of Turtle Art (a fructose module) that
 has many new features for the Sucrose 0.87.4 unstable release. Still
 some debugging to do, but generally it seems to be in good shape. The
 tarball is available here:

 http://download.sugarlabs.org/srv/www-sugarlabs/download/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-83.tar.gz

 FYI:

 New for v83

 * added new user-interface features
  o support for multiple turtles
  o expandable blocks
  o collapsible stacks
  o runtime block highlighting
  o error highlighting
  o trash palette (with restore)
  o palette better integrated into Sugar toolbar
  o variable-length string blocks
  o editable string blocks
  o paste text from Sugar clipboard to string blocks
  o new boolean logic UI
  o showblock to compliment hideblock
  o fullscreen block
  o editible macros (used for presentation blocks)
  o labels on coordinate-grid overlays
  o more complete support in non-Sugar environments
  o new (and improved) sample code

 * completed a major refactoring of the code
  o 90% smaller download bundle-size
  o faster first-time launch
  o greatly simplified i18n maintenance
  o easier to extend with new blocks and palettes

 Still more testing to go before a general release--your feedback very
 welcome as always.

 -walter

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] TurtleArt-83

2010-02-15 Thread Walter Bender
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks. Can we have a While or Until block? Also, prefix logic blocks?

Forgot to mention, one of the changes I already made was to make
prefix logic block. I think they are much easier to use and
understand. Thanks for the continued reminders.

I just implemented a while function as a macro. Once I figure out how
to do it as a block, I will...

 Both would greatly simplify certain kinds of program. Also, how about
 reading the color under the Turtle?

One thing you didn't mention, that I have been working on (but won't
finish for 0.88) is adding graphical skins to blocks so that we can
optionally eliminate the words. I have most of the underlying
mechanics in place--just haven't worked out the UI issues yet.

regards.

-walter

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 07:57, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have a new refactored version of Turtle Art (a fructose module) that
 has many new features for the Sucrose 0.87.4 unstable release. Still
 some debugging to do, but generally it seems to be in good shape. The
 tarball is available here:

 http://download.sugarlabs.org/srv/www-sugarlabs/download/sources/sucrose/fructose/TurtleArt/TurtleArt-83.tar.gz

 FYI:

 New for v83

 * added new user-interface features
  o support for multiple turtles
  o expandable blocks
  o collapsible stacks
  o runtime block highlighting
  o error highlighting
  o trash palette (with restore)
  o palette better integrated into Sugar toolbar
  o variable-length string blocks
  o editable string blocks
  o paste text from Sugar clipboard to string blocks
  o new boolean logic UI
  o showblock to compliment hideblock
  o fullscreen block
  o editible macros (used for presentation blocks)
  o labels on coordinate-grid overlays
  o more complete support in non-Sugar environments
  o new (and improved) sample code

 * completed a major refactoring of the code
  o 90% smaller download bundle-size
  o faster first-time launch
  o greatly simplified i18n maintenance
  o easier to extend with new blocks and palettes

 Still more testing to go before a general release--your feedback very
 welcome as always.

 -walter

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Video Chat, Video Editing and VOIP activities for Sugar

2010-02-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:33 AM, satyaakam goswami satyaa...@gmail.com wrote:
 Old one http://cinelerra.org/about.php still , also can look at the
 distros like ubuntu studio .

Cinelerra is a quirky beast, designed for high end hw, with lots of UI
complexity, abundant unexplained segfaults and but it works for me
developers.

May be it can be turned into the opposite of what it's been for the
last few years. But it does seem like you have better candidates these
days...



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[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Read-86

2010-02-15 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4028

Sugar Platform:
0.82 - 0.84

Download Now:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26587/read-86.xo

Release notes:
* Updated Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese translations
* Fix http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9974



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[Sugar-devel] New version of Making Sugar Activities for review

2010-02-15 Thread James Simmons
The link is here:

http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.02.15-18.18.25.pdf

I finished the chapter on Making Shared Activities.  I had originally
planned to write a simple Activity to demonstrate DBus Tubes but
instead I decided to show how to get the Scribble and Batalla Naval
Activities working in sugar-emulator and described how they worked in
some detail.  I'd like more knowledgeable developers to check out that
chapter and let me know if I hit or missed the Barco.

I still can't get Salut collaboration working in Fedora 11.  If I knew
how to fix the problem I'd add the information to the chapter.

I'm going to do a couple of short chapters next.  One will be on
debugging Sugar Activities and the other will be suggestions for
further reading.  Once those are done I'll probably ask for the book
to be put on the front page of Floss Manuals, probably using the title
Making Sugar Activities rather than Make Your Own Sugar
Activities! (which I still prefer) because the site does not
currently deal well with titles of more than three words.

Other chapters will follow after that, including New Toolbars and
PyGame at least.  There are a *lot* more topics you could put in a
book like this and I'm still hoping some of you will want to write the
chapters I'm not qualified to do, like:

Sugarizing existing programs
Writing Activities In Languages Other Than Python
Hulahop
etc., etc.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] New version of Making Sugar Activities for review

2010-02-15 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:37 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:
 The link is here:

 http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.02.15-18.18.25.pdf

 I finished the chapter on Making Shared Activities.  I had originally
 planned to write a simple Activity to demonstrate DBus Tubes but
 instead I decided to show how to get the Scribble and Batalla Naval
 Activities working in sugar-emulator and described how they worked in
 some detail.  I'd like more knowledgeable developers to check out that
 chapter and let me know if I hit or missed the Barco.

 I still can't get Salut collaboration working in Fedora 11.  If I knew
 how to fix the problem I'd add the information to the chapter.



If you are using a stock F11 install, you may need to change your
firewall settings for collaboration to work via Salut. I remember
having to switch off the firewall via system-config-firewall at some
point.

Thanks,
Sayamindu


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Re: [Sugar-devel] Automatically Retrying an AP?

2010-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 14:29, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Martin Langhoff
 martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9936 -- and be prepared to get into the

 In case someone needs to understand this setup, the control logic is mainly 
 in

  nminfo.py
  nmclient.py
  MeshBox.py

 The whole thing is a mesh of callbacks. Lots of objects around the
 Sugar desktop subscribe directly to NM events. Coordination and
 decisionmaking is moderately centralised in those 3 files above.

 So I have a candidate patch, attached to #9936 - seems to work well,
 but I'd need failing APs to test it fully. Been testing it with wrong
 passphrases ;-)

I don't have an assorted array of APs to test with, but will give the
patch a look once I have dealt with the last feature patches for 0.88.
Sorry for not giving better feedback earlier.

Regards,

Tomeu

 The only AP I have handy right now (Airport Express) does not show the
 bug with 802B1. It does hit the dhclient/dbus timing issue on 802
 pretty often, and it completely fails with 767. But with 802B1, it
 connects very solidly.

 ... knowing where to hack is 99.9% of the battle, as usual... once I
 found nminfo.py...

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Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-launch, with brief activity name

2010-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 01:04, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
 G'day,

 The sugar-launch [0] utility used to accept a brief activity name, such as
 Maze.  It was changed [1] to require a bundle id, such as vu.lux.olpc.Maze.

 This is less easy to use [2].

 Can we discuss whether a brief activity name can be used instead or as
 well as a bundle id?

Sure, I think this is a bug and the older behavior was correct. Do we
have a patch already?

Regards,

Tomeu

 References:

 0.
 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/blobs/master/bin/sugar-launch

 1.
 http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar/repos/mainline/commits/b36db6599ed59412ce77c8ed4fb1dea782877a62

 2.
 http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/897

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Test request: Overwhelm chat

2010-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:54, Martin Langhoff
martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote:
 Long time ago, we've seen Chat.xo get slower and slower as messages
 pile up. It didn't seem to be a network issue, but a draw it on the
 screen or perhaps on the scrollable canvas.

 Here is the original bug report. It was done with an XS, and the
 networking side (wifi, XS) was not saturated. It just seemed like Chat
 could not handle the traffic for purely local reasons.

 Does this still happen on SoaS Strawberry? Blueberry? Latest?

I don't think there have been changes in Chat in this direction.

I can give directions for profiling if someone is interested in
looking at this? Maybe someone from an OLPC deployment?

Regards,

Tomeu

 This one is easy to test with a few XOs or SoaS machines and
 hiperactive testers... It will probably be more visible on XO-1s
 because the CPU and GPU are fairly limited in performance.

 (I ask Strawberry because that's the Sugar that gets deployed on XO-1.5s ;-) )



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Re: [Sugar-devel] FileShare Activity Feedback and Review Request

2010-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 00:52, Tim McNamara paperl...@timmcnamara.co.nz wrote:
 Justin,
 Alastair, Grant  I had a great time with this app this morning. Seemed to
 work great.
 From a UI perspective, I found myself wanting to click files to download
 pending ones. This may be a hangup from too much web experience. Having to
 click on the icon at the top took a little bit of retraining :)
 Well done!

Given this positive feedback, I think this activity should be promoted
to public so more people can test it. I heard about the need for
something like this in Uruguay.

Regards,

Tomeu

 Tim.

 On 13 February 2010 10:49, Justin Lewis jtl1...@rit.edu wrote:

 I am looking for testing, feedback, and reviews of my File Share
 Activity so that I may find/fix any remaining bugs and hopefully
 nominate it for public release on activities.sugarlabs.org.

 The activity can be found here:
 http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4266

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] New version of Making Sugar Activities for review

2010-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 16:50, Sayamindu Dasgupta sayami...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:37 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:
 The link is here:

 http://objavi.flossmanuals.net/books/ActivitiesGuideSugar-en-2010.02.15-18.18.25.pdf

 I finished the chapter on Making Shared Activities.  I had originally
 planned to write a simple Activity to demonstrate DBus Tubes but
 instead I decided to show how to get the Scribble and Batalla Naval
 Activities working in sugar-emulator and described how they worked in
 some detail.  I'd like more knowledgeable developers to check out that
 chapter and let me know if I hit or missed the Barco.

 I still can't get Salut collaboration working in Fedora 11.  If I knew
 how to fix the problem I'd add the information to the chapter.



 If you are using a stock F11 install, you may need to change your
 firewall settings for collaboration to work via Salut. I remember
 having to switch off the firewall via system-config-firewall at some
 point.

Some background info: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=27

Regards,

Tomeu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] New version of Making Sugar Activities for review

2010-02-15 Thread James Simmons
Sayamindu,

I actually did turn off the firewall.  It didn't seem to help.  I used
another box running Fedora 10 for the examples in the book and that
worked fine.

James Simmons


 If you are using a stock F11 install, you may need to change your
 firewall settings for collaboration to work via Salut. I remember
 having to switch off the firewall via system-config-firewall at some
 point.

 Thanks,
 Sayamindu
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Maintainers needed (Browse, Hulahop, Log)

2010-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 23:44, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote:
 Hi,

 due to time constraints I can not maintain the following modules anymore
 [1].

 * Browse
 * Hulahop
 * Log

 Please step in and take over, and give the modules the attention they
 deserve.

Recently, there has been further interest in contributing a port of
Browse to Webkit, which makes even more sense than ever because of the
recent changes in the Mozilla life cycle. Will post more details as I
get them.

Regards,

Tomeu

 Thanks,
    Simon

 [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Problem importing hulahop.webview() in sugar emulator

2010-02-15 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 18:56, Vijit Singh vi...@seeta.in wrote:
 Hello Tomeu and Aleskey,
 Thank you for your replies. I will test your suggestions in a day or two and
 will let you know about the results since I have been out of town and hence
 unable to access net since the last 2 days.

 On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote:

 On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 23:36, vijit singh vijitthetopco...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hello everyone,
  SocialCalc is based upon the use of hulahop.webview widget. While trying
  to
  run socialcalc on sugar emulator running on Fedora and Ubuntu, error
  saying
  No module hulahop was occurring. So, we tried installing hulahop on
  these
  linux distributions.
  1. Firstly we tried with ubuntu-8.10, here are the exact steps taken-
 
   xulrunner was pre-installed. And then I installed python-support.deb
  and
  libxul0d.deb which are pre-requistie packages for python-xpcom package
  (other pre-requistie packages were already installed). Then i installed
  python-xpcom. And then I installed python-hulahop and hulahop.
 
  Downlaod links for these packages are as follows:-
 
  http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/python/python-xpcom
  http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/hulahop
  http://packages.ubuntu.com/en/intrepid/python-hulahop
  Now, though hulahop was getting imported but while using
  hulahop.webview, an
  error saying hulahop has no attribute webview occured. However, when
  we
  checked the hulahop folder, there was a file named webview.py, so this
  problem might be because of some kind of wrongly set library paths.
  2. Then we tried it with ubuntu-9.10, with similar steps but got the
  same
  result.
  3. Then we tried it with fedora-11-
  Installed hulahop and then xpcom from the following
 
  link- http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandriva/2009.1/i586/media/main/release/python-xpcom-1.9.0.8-1mdv2009.1.i586.html

 This is a Mandriva package. I recommend using the tools available in
 each distro for installing software. In Fedora it would be: yum
 install hulahop

 We tried yum install hulahop but it said no package named hulahop, our first
 approach on fedora was to use yum and on ubuntu was to use apt get, but both
 gave the same results.

In Fedora 11, this is the ouput of yum search hulahop:

[to...@zviratko ~]$ yum search hulahop
Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit
=== Matched: hulahop ===
hulahop.i586 : A pygtk widget for embedding mozilla

Are you sure you wrote the name of the package correctly?

Regards,

Tomeu

 Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Video Chat, Video Editing and VOIP activities for Sugar

2010-02-15 Thread imm

On 15 Feb 2010, at 13:50, Martin Langhoff wrote:

 Cinelerra is a quirky beast, designed for high end hw, with lots of UI
 complexity, abundant unexplained segfaults and but it works for me
 developers.

 May be it can be turned into the opposite of what it's been for the
 last few years. But it does seem like you have better candidates these
 days...

Here's an unlikely option...

When I couldn't get cinelerra to work, back in the day, I ended up  
resorting to:

http://lvempeg.sourceforge.net/

Which is pretty much unmaintained for the past 5 years, so far as I  
can tell, so probably no use here.
On the other hand, it worked OK on the low spec hardware I had  
available at the time (which might be relevant) and the code seemed  
reasonably understandable...



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Automatically Retrying an AP?

2010-02-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@tomeuvizoso.net wrote:
 I don't have an assorted array of APs to test with, but will give the
 patch a look once I have dealt with the last feature patches for 0.88.
 Sorry for not giving better feedback earlier.

NP. Great if you can give it a check.

All that code has been reworked in 0.84 and later, and the workaround
is no longer needed in the F11 builds anyway, so it's a short-lived
patch. Uy team has confirmed it solves the issue on their setup, and
so I am happy.

What it did uncover (for me anyway) is that 0.84 and possibly later
Sugars have several issues talking with NM in the Sugar is a
configuration server for NM interaction. Looks like Sugar still
cannot convince NM to take the new passphrase, and that
enabling/disabling encryption breaks things.

See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/9977 and http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1674



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Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-launch, with brief activity name

2010-02-15 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 05:03:36PM +, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
 Sure, I think this is a bug and the older behavior was correct. Do we
 have a patch already?

I've no patch yet.  I've looked into what would be required.  There are
two possibilities:

1.  change to shell service D-Bus API GetBundlePath to have it do a
second search if a search by bundle id fails, so that it can be used to
obtain a bundle path by case blind substring of bundle id, also failing
if it encountered more than one match,

2.  directly call the bundleregistry from sugar-launch using
get_registry, which would look easy but would load all the activity
metadata into the sugar-launch process and then discard the result of
that effort.

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[Sugar-devel] [ASLO] Release Kandid-4

2010-02-15 Thread Sugar Labs Activities
Activity Homepage:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4254

Sugar Platform:
0.82 - 0.86

Download Now:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/26586/kandid-4.xo

Release notes:
* Images generated by Kandid can be exported as PNG images to the journal.  You 
can open an exported image with an image manipulation program.
* The details of a generated image can be explained.
* Improving color scheme.
* Cancel obsolete rendering task during start up. This may reduce time when 
starting from journal.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-launch, with brief activity name

2010-02-15 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:57:55AM +1100, James Cameron wrote:
 On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 05:03:36PM +, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
  Sure, I think this is a bug and the older behavior was correct. Do we
  have a patch already?
 
 [...]
 
 1.  change to shell service D-Bus API GetBundlePath to have it do a
 second search if a search by bundle id fails, so that it can be used to
 obtain a bundle path by case blind substring of bundle id, also failing
 if it encountered more than one match,

I've implemented and tested the above change, and attached it to the
ticket.

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