[Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Important Schedule Changes - Please Read!

2009-05-26 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
Hi everybody,

please read this carefully, as it concerns major schedule changes 
regarding our upcoming Sugar on a Stick release in the end of June.

The original plan was have a Release Candidate based on F11 Final and 
Sugar 0.84 at that time and a Final Version later in Q3. After serious 
consideration, it looks way more sensible to do the following:

= Omit the RC release and replace it with our Final Release!

This means that Sugar on a Stick is going be released in June, on 
2009-06-24. Now, why? Well, there were quite some reasons:

* Fedora 11 will be released on June 2 and Sugar 0.84 has already had 
it's release some time ago. By moving our final release later into the 
year, we'd be either forced to use some outdated or unstable components, 
as the next major Sugar version will be 0.86, which is targeted for 
Fedora 12. We're preventing this by having our release now just a month 
after F11's.

* It helps us a lot to get feedback from students over the summer break, 
so that we're increasing the likelihood of gaining more users.

* Sugar on a Stick is rather stable right now - I'll outline this in a 
separate e-mail!

The updated roadmap is located here: 
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap

Package Maintainers will receive reminders to update their RPM packages 
soonish! Again, please make sure to follow the deadlines. The last date 
for changes is 2009-06-10. Afterwards, dev team's approval is required.

Please contact me with any concerns you may have - also off-list, if needed!

Best Regards,
--Sebastian Dziallas
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Re: [Sugar-devel] possible foundation for an email activity

2009-05-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 12:40:30PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
Anjal uses Webkit and the evolution backend and has a cool UI, may be 
interesting to see how to use that code in an activity.

http://live.gnome.org/Anjal

Tinymail seems to be a viable alternative.  It claims to have 
out-of-the-box support for OLPC: http://tinymail.org/

The technical featureset is impressive.  I have no idea about real-life 
quality.


Oh, there is even a video of it running on an XO: 
http://tinymail.org/demos/tinymail_on_olpc.mpg


Is it just who didn't know about this till now?

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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] Announcing Snapshot 2009/05/24 - Is it working for people on a Mac, if you previously had a mac that worked?

2009-05-26 Thread Caroline Meeks
This snapshot is not working on my iMac although other snapshots+CD did.

Can anyone replicate? http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/888

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Sebastian Dziallas sebast...@when.comwrote:

 Hi folks,

 after a short break, there's a new snapshot ready for you. It
 incorporates the latest packages from the upcoming F11 release, as well
 the Colors activity. Please report any bugs or issues you encounter and
 list them appropriately for the soas_linuxtag milestone in trac, if needed.

 Our roadmap is located here:
 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap

 The current list of bugs for the RC can be found here:
 http://www.tinyurl.com/soas-rc-tickets

 The image can be downloaded from here:
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200905241902.iso

 The appliance image has been made available here:
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas2-20090524.zip

 Thanks and happy testing! :)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Localization] Help activity

2009-05-26 Thread David Farning
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:49 AM, S Page skierp...@gmail.com wrote:
 Summary: There seems to already be Sugar 0.84 content translated into
 various languages on flossmanuals.net that someone could remix as
 HTML and link to from the Browse activity's home page.

 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Caroline Meeks solutiongr...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

 We talked a bit about the Help Activity in Paris.  I've taken our discussion
 and written it up here:  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/Help

 I'm confused, is this related to the current OLPC Help (activity) in
 OLPC release 8.2 which is hosted at git.sugarlabs.org, or a new
 activity?

For a little background.

Last fall, the Sugar manual, at Floss Manuals, was written and bundled
as the OLPC help activity very quickly.

The fact that it progress as quickly as it did was due to the work of
a few people;  Walter as a content writer, Anne Gentle as the document
maintainer, and Seth and Brian who rolled the manual into the help
activity.

Long story short - Help was thrown together at the last minute.

 That page says I think it should be a blurb about being a community
 project, invitation to ask a question and a link to the manual in a
 reader.
 All that information belongs on the Browse home page!  The Goals
 listed for the Help activity seem like the goals for a Sugar home
 page.  Just have a Getting help section of the home page.
 A manual in a reader?  Surely an HTML manual  in a browser is the way to 
 go..

 Please take a look and edit this spec and start to think about how it should
 be implemented.

 I don't understand Help as an activity, Help is useful info organized
 in HTML pages.

At the time OLPC was bound by tighter constraints than Sugar Labs is.

 The current OLPC help activity starts a hulahop.webview that displays
 'help/XO_Introduction.html'  The benefit is it is a single-purpose
 activity with its own '(?)' icon in the Home view, and it lacks some
 browser chrome such as the location field and View menu.  But those
 features become a confusing hindrance the moment you follow a link
 from Help to an external web site.  Perhaps it would be better just to
 put a link to the local help files on the Browse home page as I
 suggest above, and/or provide a Journal entry for the local help
 content, especially when and if Browse gets multiple tabs.  If the
 distinction between activities and library content goes away then
 there's even less reason for a standalone help activity.

 If you have a connection to the net, you should probably just go to
 the latest up-to-date online help for your software, e.g.
 http://www.laptop.org/manual or
 http://en.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar/8_4/TheJournal

 On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Bastien bastiengue...@googlemail.com wrote:
 If translating equates to translating the flossmanuals I think it's
 worth anyway, whether these pages goes into the Help activity or not.

 The Flossmanuals.net site seems currently available in English, nl
 (Dutch), and fa (Persian), but it can host translations in other
 languages, see http://en.flossmanuals.net/FLOSSManuals/TranslatingAManual
 .  I just realized that parts of the Sugar manual have been
 translated, e.g.
 http://translate.flossmanuals.net/bin/view/Sugar_es/WhatIsAnActivity
 !!

 Idea: why not have a mediawiki_syntax2sugar_display converter?  Then we
 could create a Help activity based on content from the Sugar wiki.  Or a
 Tutorials activity based on all tutorials from the wiki.  Or others
 WikiBrowse activities based on other slices of the WikiPedia.

 Surely by sugar display you just mean HTML?  In which case there are
 lots of tools to turn MediaWiki into HTML, several of which have been
 used for OLPC content and activities.  Check out
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wikislices
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/WikiBrowse
 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Wikibooks
 http://sugarlabs.org/go/Activities/InfoSlicer

 Note that the FlossManuals site uses TWiki, not MediaWiki.  There are
 pros and cons to this.  It seems incredibly simple to use
 http://en.flossmanuals.net/remix to export as HTML; I assume that's
 how someone created the current OLPC Help activity and online manual
 and PDF.  But the division between the documentation and the wiki is
 unfortunate, and could be avoided if say wiki.sugarlabs.org had a
 Category:Sugar_help that people carefully maintain and occasionally
 turn into a Help manual using MediaWiki tools.

flossmanuals is a site that uses a specific methodology and toolkit to
crank out manuals in one week sprints.  If we want to avoid
reinventing the wheel we need to determine how to effectily use the FM
output.  FM has a decent translation toolkit at
http://translate.flossmanuals.net/write .

 MediaWiki's history and [Compare selected revisions] can help
 dedicated bilingual translators keep a translation in sync with
 updates to a master page.  E.g. click on the cambios link in the
 translation header of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Participate/lang-es 

[Sugar-devel] Progress with SoaS boot-helper

2009-05-26 Thread Luke Faraone
Hi all,

This is turning into a larger project than I'd originally imagined.

Since the current process of using LVM loop-mounted partitions prevents us
from mounting the SoaS filesystem outside of SoaS itself, we had to come up
with a new method of installing SoaS that *can* be read by a running OS.
I've done some work on modifying Canonical's Live USB creator to support
this, but it will take some time.

We've decided to set up the partitions on devices as descried on the
wikiat%20http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/USB_format(
permalinkhttp://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_on_a_Stick/USB_formatoldid=29087).
This has the additional benefit of additional stability (loop-mounted
filesystems are inherently more fragile), as well as (hopefully) increased
compatability with older and odder BIOSes that only support USB-ZIP booting,
rather than the more modern USB-HDD.

There should be a decently stable version of the USB creator with these
changes around by mid to late June, however it might need to be pushed back
until the next SoaS release.

There is little to no risk with implementing it late in the SoaS release
schedule, if it was to be ready before then, since it is currently a
non-essential component; there exist many other ways to create a SoaS stick,
and the creator would be able to work with existing SoaS images without a
problem.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?

2009-05-26 Thread James Simmons
Sean,

I'm blowing my own horn here, but I just finished a new version of Read 
Etexts that might be worth a look.  The new version has a Books tab 
that lets you search the Project Gutenberg offline catalog and download 
titles to the Journal.  Gutenberg has lots of Juvenile books as well as 
well known books by European authors in their original languages.  I 
posted it on ASLO yesterday, with new screenshots.

In addition to the catalog search, if you run it on SoaS you can use the 
Speech tab to read the book aloud with word highlighting.  Many 
different voices are available, so for instance you could use a French 
voice for the works of Dumas and Verne.

The books are plain text, no pictures, but if I say so myself Read 
Etexts has become impressive in a way it never has been before.

For books with pictures you could suggest a visit to the Internet 
Archive website to get books in PDF format that Read could use.  There 
are some remarkable PDFs of scanned in book pages there.

James Simmons

 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:03:40 +0200
 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
 To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep
   i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel
   sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Message-ID:
   378b2b050905221103p1f5dbb29s935bc0b0c8543...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in
 Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue!

 More specifically, advising parents how to download  run SoaS and do
 educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays.


 Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is
 customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ...

 Suggestions please!

 thanks

 Sean

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?

2009-05-26 Thread David Van Assche
Where is the source? I dont see anything since march in git.sugarlabs.org

David (nubae)

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM, James Simmons jim.simm...@walgreens.comwrote:

 Sean,

 I'm blowing my own horn here, but I just finished a new version of Read
 Etexts that might be worth a look.  The new version has a Books tab
 that lets you search the Project Gutenberg offline catalog and download
 titles to the Journal.  Gutenberg has lots of Juvenile books as well as
 well known books by European authors in their original languages.  I
 posted it on ASLO yesterday, with new screenshots.

 In addition to the catalog search, if you run it on SoaS you can use the
 Speech tab to read the book aloud with word highlighting.  Many
 different voices are available, so for instance you could use a French
 voice for the works of Dumas and Verne.

 The books are plain text, no pictures, but if I say so myself Read
 Etexts has become impressive in a way it never has been before.

 For books with pictures you could suggest a visit to the Internet
 Archive website to get books in PDF format that Read could use.  There
 are some remarkable PDFs of scanned in book pages there.

 James Simmons

  Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:03:40 +0200
  From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com
  Subject: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
  To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org, iaep
i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar Devel
sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
  Message-ID:
378b2b050905221103p1f5dbb29s935bc0b0c8543...@mail.gmail.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
  Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in
  Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue!
 
  More specifically, advising parents how to download  run SoaS and do
  educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays.
 
 
  Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is
  customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ...
 
  Suggestions please!
 
  thanks
 
  Sean

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?

2009-05-26 Thread Sean DALY
Many thanks for that James, great suggestion

Sean



On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 6:32 PM, James Simmons
jim.simm...@walgreens.com wrote:
 Sean,

 I'm blowing my own horn here, but I just finished a new version of Read
 Etexts that might be worth a look.  The new version has a Books tab
 that lets you search the Project Gutenberg offline catalog and download
 titles to the Journal.  Gutenberg has lots of Juvenile books as well as
 well known books by European authors in their original languages.  I
 posted it on ASLO yesterday, with new screenshots.

 In addition to the catalog search, if you run it on SoaS you can use the
 Speech tab to read the book aloud with word highlighting.  Many
 different voices are available, so for instance you could use a French
 voice for the works of Dumas and Verne.

 The books are plain text, no pictures, but if I say so myself Read
 Etexts has become impressive in a way it never has been before.

 For books with pictures you could suggest a visit to the Internet
 Archive website to get books in PDF format that Read could use.  There
 are some remarkable PDFs of scanned in book pages there.

 James Simmons

 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:03:40 +0200
 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
 To: Sugar Labs Marketing market...@lists.sugarlabs.org,     iaep
       i...@lists.sugarlabs.org,     Sugar Devel
       sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
 Message-ID:
       378b2b050905221103p1f5dbb29s935bc0b0c8543...@mail.gmail.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

 Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in
 Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue!

 More specifically, advising parents how to download  run SoaS and do
 educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays.


 Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is
 customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ...

 Suggestions please!

 thanks

 Sean

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Re: [Sugar-devel] #650 UNSP: Screenshots to use name of current activity as part of its default title

2009-05-26 Thread James Zaki
I added an updated patch as a file with this bug (650)

Whomever is in control, please updated any remaining trivial bugs and I will
review.
I am new to python and opensource development, but seek to improve rapidly.

Thanks for you patience.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar with Metacity (again)

2009-05-26 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
Hello,

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 16:33, Gary C Martin g...@garycmartin.com wrote:
 On 22 May 2009, at 11:51, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:

 Hello,
 Revisiting the topic of replacing matchbox with a more standard
 window manager[1], I have just uploaded a soas2 build in which Sugar
 uses (unmodified) metacity instead of matchbox. The image also has the
 Gimp, xterm and gcalctool so that you can test how metacity treats
 those normally while making activities occupy the entire screen. At
 the moment, a few activities are getting positioned incorrectly (I'll
 look into the activity code to figure out what's wrong),

 Here's a quick run through of the activities.

 Thanks, Gary!

 Sayamindu: have you considered moving the window management stuff from
 the sugar shell to a metacity plugin?



Does stable versions of metacity offer plugin support ? As per the
thread at http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-l...@redhat.com/msg15116.html,
it seems that the metacity developers want to delegate things like
window placement requests etc to the toolkit itself, and not to the
window manager.
I will look into the Sugar code to see if we can do the size requests
etc earlier in the window creating process so that the interim
artifacts that Gary has reported are not shown. I'll also take a look
at the maximus code to see how they do this without any visual
artifacts.

Thanks,
Sayamindu


PS: Sorry for not responding to most of the threads I should have
responded to - our city got hit by a cyclone yesterday and my internet
connection has been a bit unreliable. Things should be OK from
tomorrow.
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[Sugar-devel] Documentation [WAS: Re: [Localization] Help activity]

2009-05-26 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
[Jumping into the discussion midway]:

From an l10n point of view, I would highly recommend adopting (and
perhaps extending) the GNOME documentation framework. It is docbook
based, which is a format pretty easy to pick up (and I believe
OpenOffice.org can also export to docbook - though I have never tried
it out). Many programmers and documentation people should This would
easily let us

a) generate PO files out of the documentation files
b) merge back translations easily
c) generate multiple format files (PDF, epub, rtf, etc)

It would be even more incredible if our documentation system can be
integrated with the work being done at http://tutorius.org/ :-)

A random google search brought up the story of a project which had
used twiki initially, and then had moved on to docbook:
http://www.ipcop.org/1.2.0/en/authors_guide/html/what-is-docbook.html

Also, converting existing material might not be _that_ difficult: see
http://deplate.sourceforge.net/


Thanks,
Sayamindu


On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
 [forwarding to sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org]

 2009/5/14 Diogo Serra @ IPLEIRIA diogo.se...@ipleiria.pt:
 Hy there,

 Where i can find the *.po  of Help activity ?

 Thanks
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar in jaunty chroots... working today.

2009-05-26 Thread Edward Cherlin
On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote:
 Hi folks,

 I just wanted to report a small victory: I worked out instructions at

   http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Chroot

 which enabled me to run today's Ubuntu Jaunty sugar packages in a debootstrap
 chroot on my home machine.

What happened when you ran them? Under regular Jaunty, sugar-emulator
gets into X, changes to the Sugar cursor, and hangs.

 No promises that it will keep working tomorrow or
 that it will work on your crazy setup, but I think it's worth trying, since it
 /is/ fairly repeatable.

 Michael

 Who knows -- perhaps they'll work for others who are weary (or wary) of
 jhbuild?

 P.S. - If you're looking for a fun weekend project, then you might consider
 extending my notes by

   * making the instructions work on more platforms
   * figuring out how to cache the downloads, e.g. with approx
   * baked my logic into a downloadable script or makefile
   * etc...
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] New Snapshot Incoming!

2009-05-26 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/04/2009 05:05 PM, Sebastian Dziallas wrote:
 Hi folks,

 there's another new snapshot ready! Here are the links:

 * For the Image:
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/snapshots/2/Soas2-200905031329.iso

 * For the Appliance:
 http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/appliances/soas2-20090503.zip

 The appliance has undergone major changes, meaning that it might not
 work. Both are based on the current Rawhide state, which should be
 rather stable.

 Now this is important: Please test the activities. Recommend new ones
 you want to see on SoaS. Report issues to our trac instance.

 And please submit your hardware profile, following the instructions
 here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Hardware

 I'll post a more detailed e-mail with an overview of our plans for the
 upcoming release candidate soonish.

 Thanks and happy testing!
 --Sebastian

Awesome, thanks. One major issue: http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/890

Have to look deeper into what is wrong.

Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Read Etexts Activity source code

2009-05-26 Thread James Simmons

David,

For reasons I have never understood, the pages that show git activity 
for a project don't show ALL activity, just some of it.  If you want to 
see everything you can click on the word mainline on the right side of 
the page (under the word Repositories) and on THAT page click on 
Source Tree, which should take you here:


http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/readetexts/repos/mainline/trees/master

If you want to print out source code you need to select Raw Blob Data 
because the page that has page numbers does not print well at all.


If I am doing anything wrong that causes me to have to go through the 
process I have described I hope someone will point it out.


Thanks,

James Simmons


David Van Assche wrote:
Where is the source? I dont see anything since march in 
git.sugarlabs.org http://git.sugarlabs.org


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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Usage scenarios for Sugar?

2009-05-26 Thread Sean DALY
Thanks Rita!!

Sean



On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Rita Freudenberg
r...@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de wrote:

 Hi all,

 attached find a description about using Etoys to create digital postcards,
 developed by Kathleen Harness.Wouldn't it be great to have postcards from
 kids all over the world greeting us from their home town? Kathleen even
 lists the NETS standards regarding the postcard task.

 Greetings,
 Rita

 Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 20:03:40 +0200
 From: Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Sugar-devel] Usage scenarios for Sugar?
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 Hi everyone, we have been contacted by a monthly tech publication in
 Europe willing to devote several pages to Sugar in their summer issue!

 More specifically, advising parents how to download  run SoaS and do
 educational stuff with their kids during the summer holidays.


 Off the top of my head I suggested a scenario where Memorize is
 customized with family photos, a Turtle Art lesson, ...

 Suggestions please!

 thanks

 Sean


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