Know English, can learn programming more quickly.
If there could be a study of young programming language learners who used,.say,
spanish and those who learned at a similar age but used English, I'd love to
see that done and see if using Spanish first made for similar/greater/lesser
ability
cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com said:
In my experience, programmers are typically able adept at thinking of
variables in the abstract, thus the preponderance of foo and 'bar when
conversationally describing programming with variables.
I think that's misleading.
I consider sensible names (variables
On 2012-09-24, at 01:40, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 07:53:35PM -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
Paint activity was developed by a Brazilian team and a lot of variables
had Portuguese names.
Whit the time, we changed a lot, but there are a few pending.
It is
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 2012-09-24, at 01:40, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 07:53:35PM -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
Paint activity was developed by a Brazilian team and a lot of variables
had Portuguese
When I wrote the chapter on collaboration in Make Your Own Sugar
Activities! I used a fairly complex example called Battalla Naval that was
written using Spanish. I had to run a comment or two through Babel Fish
but I was able to figure out what it did and why. I only speak English. I
regret
Hi, everybody.
Like Daniel, I'm from Uruguay and I feel identified with the Walter message.
I'm fourteen years old, and I started using sugar when I was ten, when I
receive my XO was the first time that I used linux and it liked me a lot.
About the young programmers:
I was a student of Flavio
2012/9/23 Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org:
Hi, everybody.
Like Daniel, I'm from Uruguay and I feel identified with the Walter message.
Hi Agustin!
I'm fourteen years old, and I started using sugar when I was ten, when I
receive my XO was the first time that I used linux and it
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 3:53 PM, S. Daniel Francis
fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
2012/9/23 Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org:
About the young programmers:
I was a student of Flavio Danesse, and he taught me a lot but for obvious
reasons I had to appeal the internet to found more
2012/9/23 Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com:
I would love to see more of the Spanish-only activities
present in ASLO take this step to i18n so that they can be used by
other XO kids around the world in their mother tongues.
A good way would be if the ASLO editors request the authors to
Hello Agustin from the US :)
--- On Sun, 9/23/12, Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
From: Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
To: Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org
Cc: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com, iaep i
--- On Sun, 9/23/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
To: Agustin Zubiaga Sanchez a...@sugarlabs.org
Cc: iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-dev Devel
sugar-devel
but where I worked, it was like this:
#!/usr/bin/python
# questo è il modo in cui il punteggio di corrispondenza viene calcolato
partida = calcio101+calcio02
Ciao Mondo! :)
# Just regarding the Sugar Paint activity mixes English and Portuguese
of its original maintainers. Now
# with all the
2012/9/23 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 09:14:41PM -0300, S. Daniel Francis wrote:
2012/9/23 James Cameron qu...@laptop.org:
It is irritating that we still store source code in linear text files
without built-in internationalisation.
As you change these names,
Now I know, I should stop reading this thread :)
Gonzalo
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 07:53:35PM -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
Paint activity was developed by a Brazilian team and a lot of variables
had Portuguese names.
--- On Sun, 9/23/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
To: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org
Cc: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 9:24 PM
2012
El tema del idioma, tiene muchas aristas, (desde mi punto de vista), pero
en lo que refiere específicamente a enseñar a programar a los niños y
adolescentes, la cuestión está en que aprender un lenguaje de programación
es en si, aprender otro idioma, lo cual ya de por si es difícil para
Flavio,
Estoy de acuerdo que para enseñar programación, agregar la problemática de
comprender otro idioma a la de comprender el lenguaje de programación en
si, no tiene demasiado sentido.
Lo que si creo que tiene sentido, y esto tu y yo lo hemos hablado varias
veces, pero como has dado tu punto de
Hola Flavio, I think you gave many excellent reasons for using Spanish, which
is what i was saying. So I agree. I was recalling something about the OLPC
project in Haiti. They have 2 'officlal' languages: Kreyol and French. 99% of
the country learns Kreyol but the upper class/government know
--- On Mon, 9/24/12, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
From: Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
To: Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com
Cc: Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net, sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org,
James Cameron qu
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 02:08:03AM -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
I agree with you when you say, to teach programming, add the need to
learn a foreign language to the fact of learning the programming
language, does not have too much sense.
I couldn't read what Flavio said, but I agree that
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:40:13 +1000
From: qu...@laptop.org
To: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 02:08:03AM -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
I agree with you when you say, to teach programming, add the need
--- On Wed, 9/19/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
To: Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net
Cc: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com, iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org,
Sugar-dev
Daniel and others,
This thread has really inspired me. I am going to work with my
students to develop Sugar activities.
I have James' book. Are there other resources I need?
Thanks.
Gerald
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 4:16 AM, Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net wrote:
--- On Wed, 9/19/12, S.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dr. Gerald Ardito
gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel and others,
This thread has really inspired me. I am going to work with my
students to develop Sugar activities.
I have James' book. Are there other resources I need?
I'd recommend using the Duplicate
Walter,
Sounds good.
Thanks.
Gerald
P.S. And congratulations on the pending new arrival.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Dr. Gerald Ardito
gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel and others,
This thread has really
2012/9/20 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net:
While I can't speak for Sugar Labs, this sound like a very good problems to
address. Scratch has a
website to 'upload' its programs. I would really love to see a way to help
young sugar activity hacker
have a place for them to 'hack' on their
Daniel,
I did remember to try out your Activities last night. In addition to my XO
I have several computers running different versions of Fedora, and that was
what I used because it was a bit more convenient. I ended up using two
different computers because the latest Fedora won't run Sugar
2012/9/20 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
Daniel,
I did remember to try out your Activities last night. In addition to my XO
I have several computers running different versions of Fedora, and that was
what I used because it was a bit more convenient. I ended up using two
different
Great reply Daniel,
We are proud of have you and other young hackers
working in the project!
Gonzalo
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:42 PM, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:
2012/9/19 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
Walter,
First, congrats on the grandchild.
Second, I am
Walter,
First, congrats on the grandchild.
Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities were
written by children who grew up with Sugar. That is an incredible
accomplishment, and it makes me wish that the ASLO website had a Collection
of those Activities. If something
2012/9/19 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
Walter,
First, congrats on the grandchild.
Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities were
written by children who grew up with Sugar. That is an incredible
accomplishment, and it makes me wish that the ASLO website had
From: fran...@sugarlabs.org
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2012 13:42:37 -0300
To: nices...@gmail.com
CC: i...@lists.sugarlabs.org; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org;
community-n...@lists.sugarlabs.org; walter.ben...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/19 James
...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
2012/9/19 James Simmons nices...@gmail.com:
Walter,
First, congrats on the grandchild.
Second, I am intrigued by the statement that 10% of Sugar Activities
were
written by children who grew up with Sugar
2012/9/19 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com:
There are some from outside of .UY as well...
Walter,
Can you tell us about the activities outside of .UY, please?
I never hear about them and would be of interest for some people in
these mailing lists, including myself.
Daniel,
I'm going to try these out when I get home. It looks like you guys have
done some really good work. You may know that Sugar Commander was one of
mine. I'm looking forward to seeing what you did with it. The other stuff
looks impressive too.
I agree with Walter that having young
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:04 PM, James Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote:
Daniel,
I'm going to try these out when I get home. It looks like you guys have
done some really good work. You may know that Sugar Commander was one of
mine. I'm looking forward to seeing what you did with it. The
There is a write up explaining how to do 18n in Sugar Activities:
http://en.flossmanuals.net/como-hacer-una-actividad-sugar/internacionalizarse-con-pootle-god-100/
Above is the Spanish version. I understand there is an English version too.
James Simmons
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Chris
--- On Wed, 9/19/12, S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org wrote:
From: S. Daniel Francis fran...@sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
To: James Simmons nices...@gmail.com
Cc: iaep i...@lists.sugarlabs.org, Sugar-dev Devel
sugar-devel
Hi Kevin,
2012/9/19 Kevin Mark kevin.m...@verizon.net:
Hearing from the kids who are making Sugar activities and more contributions,
I'm really wanting to
know what teaching environment made this possible?
Summing my case all the cases I listened about, we usually learn by our self.
Thinking
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