Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Sean DALY
I, too, encounter difficulty finding elements in the Journal but haven't found time yet to contribute to a feature discussion. just 2 cents about hierarchical representation: it certainly has uses. The coolest one I ever saw was 8 years ago by a company (trying to remember the name) that provides

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread NoiseEHC
There are 3 different ideas when we are talking about Journal vs Directories: 1. Whether we are limiting the user to use exactly one filtering category for his/her documents (and lets call them Files and the filter the Files' Directory) or we allow multiple filters (and call them Tags). 2. Wheth

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Albert Cahalan wrote: > James Zaki writes: > >> Understanding hierarchical file structures use the concepts of containers >> and recursion with no limits (except for total capacity). It is not >> naturally intuitive, like a tree where branches get smaller from the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 06:18:35AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: >On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:58:17AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: >>>Tomeu Vizoso writes: > I think it's very importan

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:29:23PM +0200, James Zaki wrote: >Not sure where my complete email went... something to do with awaiting >approval I think. [actual content snipped] Please subscribe to the lists that you post to, to bypass our spam s

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:07, Albert Cahalan wrote: > 2009/5/28 NoiseEHC : >> >> I think it's very important if we want to keep pushing Sugar that we >> distinguish between design decisions and bugs and unimplemented >> features. If we bring down good design ideas not by themselves but >> because

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread James Zaki
Not sure where my complete email went... something to do with awaiting approval I think. But just for clarity to all, I said the arrowed ">" text. 2009/5/28 Albert Cahalan > James Zaki writes: > > > Understanding hierarchical file structures use the concepts of containers > > and recursion wit

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Albert Cahalan
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:58:17AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: >>Tomeu Vizoso writes: >>> I think it's very important if we want to keep pushing Sugar that we >>> distinguish between design decisions and bugs and unimplemented >>> featur

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Albert Cahalan
2009/5/28 NoiseEHC : > > I think it's very important if we want to keep pushing Sugar that we > distinguish between design decisions and bugs and unimplemented > features. If we bring down good design ideas not by themselves but > because of its implementation status, we risk ending up with nothing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread NoiseEHC
I think it's very important if we want to keep pushing Sugar that we distinguish between design decisions and bugs and unimplemented features. If we bring down good design ideas not by themselves but because of its implementation status, we risk ending up with nothing that brings new value compa

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 04:58:17AM -0400, Albert Cahalan wrote: >Tomeu Vizoso writes: >> I think it's very important if we want to keep pushing Sugar that we >> distinguish between design decisions and bugs and unimplemented >> features. If we b

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Albert Cahalan
James Zaki writes: > Understanding hierarchical file structures use the concepts of containers > and recursion with no limits (except for total capacity). It is not > naturally intuitive, like a tree where branches get smaller from the trunk > with fruit/leaves only at the end nodes. > > Empirical

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Albert Cahalan
Tomeu Vizoso writes: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 04:54, wrote: >> I am happy to expand this to the list. I have raised the journal once >> or twice before but mainly kept quiet not wanting to be trollish. ... >> The journal and sharing are probably the two central things that >> distinguish sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Journal criticism

2009-05-28 Thread Albert Cahalan
Tomeu Vizoso writes: > On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 20:20, Lucian Branescu > wrote: >> I'm new to Sugar, so I may be horribly wrong. >> >> But to me, the Journal seems more of an annoyance than anything else. >> A lot of the work I see done is towards bringing back some of the >> properties that regul