Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-16 Thread Peter Mayer

Dear Barry,

	That was super!  Thanks so much for putting up the video for those of 
us outside the charmed BBC circle.


best wishes,

Peter

On 16/10/2012 8:00 AM, Barry Wainwright wrote:

For the sake of those who cannot access it directly, I have uploaded the 
relevant section to https://www.dropbox.com/s/xavxsquc1x1plwt/sundial.m4v

I will leave this file up for the next two weeks only, please do not distribute 
the file URL.



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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread John Foad
Actually if you jump to about 27:50 you can catch Mike directly.  Super stuff, 
Mike!
John

From: Tony Moss 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:55 AM
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de 
Subject: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

Hi all,
 I've just checked and Mike Shaw's appearance on antiques roadshow with 
his Pilkington  Gibbs Heliochronometer and Sol Horometer is available on BBC 
iPlayer as follows.

Google for   BBC iPlayer  where recent programmes are listed alphabetically.

Select 'A' and then 'Antiques Roadshow' where you will have to watch the 
programme from the beginning.

Best,

Tony Moss.

P.S.  It doesn't always rain in Liverpool/ Port Sunlight! ;-)





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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread Mac Oglesby


Alas! I get a message saying BBC iPlayer programmes are available to 
play in the UK only,


Any alternatives which might let those of us not in the UK see Mike?

Best wishes,

Mac Oglesby







Hi all,
 I've just checked and Mike Shaw's appearance on antiques 
roadshow with his Pilkington  Gibbs Heliochronometer and Sol 
Horometer is available on BBC iPlayer as follows.


Google for   BBC iPlayer  where recent programmes are listed alphabetically.

Select 'A' and then 'Antiques Roadshow' where you will have to watch 
the programme from the beginning.


Best,

Tony Moss.

P.S.  It doesn't always rain in Liverpool/ Port Sunlight! ;-)


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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread brickman
Online content that is blocked for certain regions can be viewed using 
a proxy service. There is a simple program called Tunnelbear, available 
at http://tunnelbear.com , that will allow you to view content that is 
restricted to the UK. You just download the program, turn it on and 
set it to UK and sites like BBC iPlayer will function. The service is 
free with a monthly data limit.


Using proxy services is common and completely legal, and Tunnelbear is 
a trusted service. Using proxies may violate the terms of use of some 
websites, so be advised.


On 15.10.2012 06:05, Mac Oglesby wrote:

Alas! I get a message saying BBC iPlayer programmes are available to
play in the UK only,

Any alternatives which might let those of us not in the UK see Mike?

Best wishes,

Mac Oglesby







Hi all,
 I've just checked and Mike Shaw's appearance on antiques 
roadshow with his Pilkington  Gibbs Heliochronometer and Sol 
Horometer is available on BBC iPlayer as follows.


Google for   BBC iPlayer  where recent programmes are listed 
alphabetically.


Select 'A' and then 'Antiques Roadshow' where you will have to watch 
the programme from the beginning.


Best,

Tony Moss.

P.S.  It doesn't always rain in Liverpool/ Port Sunlight! ;-)


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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread rmallett

On 15/10/2012 10:54, John Foad wrote:
Actually if you jump to about 27:50 you can catch Mike directly.  
Super stuff, Mike!

John


Yes, very knowledgeable and confident, and a great plug for the BSS.  
Thanks for the time stamp John, for those of us who didn't want to sit 
through the whole thing.  Pity the sun never shines up north :-)


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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread Steve Lelievre

On 15/10/2012 10:48 AM, brick...@62bricks.com wrote:
Online content that is blocked for certain regions can be viewed using 
a proxy service. There is a simple program called Tunnelbear, 
available at http://tunnelbear.com , that will allow you to view 
content that is restricted to the UK. You just download the program, 
turn it on and set it to UK and sites like BBC iPlayer will 
function. The service is free with a monthly data limit.





Using proxy services is common and completely legal


In the context of Mac's question, the above statement seems overly 
simple to me, and a full answer must depend on the country you live in.


In Canada, using a proxy service is indeed completely legal in itself. 
However, with the Copyright Moderization Act passed back in September it 
becomes a crimal offence to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate or impair 
[a] technological protection measure unless it is done with the 
authority of the copyright owner where a technological protection 
measure is defined as any effective technology, device or component 
that, in the ordinary course of its operation [...] controls access to a 
work. The new law is still waiting for Royal Assent but this is 
expected soon.


In its ordinary course of operation the iPlayer prevents access for 
non-UK viewing. This control is in place specifically for copyright 
reasons so, to my way of thinking, in Canada use of a proxy could 
perhaps be contrued as an attempt to circumvent the protection measure. 
An analogy might be that although it's OK to posess a screwdriver, it is 
illegal in Canada to use that screwdriver to remove a neighbour's 
doorlock to get in order to use the pool while the neighbour is on vacation.


I concede however, that I have no legal training, and of course there's 
no Case Law in place yet to guide us on how the courts would actually 
view the practice.


Steve








On 15.10.2012 06:05, Mac Oglesby wrote:

Alas! I get a message saying BBC iPlayer programmes are available to
play in the UK only,

Any alternatives which might let those of us not in the UK see Mike?

Best wishes,

Mac Oglesby



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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread brickman


In the US, it is my opinion that while it is probably a violation of 
the BBC's website terms of use, using a proxy service to access 
streaming content for personal use would be considered fair use from the 
viewpoint of copyright.


Nevertheless - In the specific case of iPlayer and Canada, if you have 
an Apple device such as an iPhone or iPad, you can download the BBC 
iPlayer app and watch BBC content freely, although I do not know if 
Antiques Roadshow is one of the shows available. The app is also 
available in Australia and the EU. The sun never sets on the BBC's 
digital distribution rights (if you have an iPhone, that is.) [Why they 
are able to distribute video over iPhones but not over desktops I cannot 
fathom. It is also the case that you can freely access BBC radio content 
outside the UK on a desktop, but not over a mobile device.]


Another possibility is to keep an eye on the Antiques Roadshow website 
at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj2y where they usually select a 
few clips from recent episodes and make them available for a time 
worldwide without restriction. Perhaps they will excerpt Mike Shaw's 
segment there.






On 15.10.2012 11:02, Steve Lelievre wrote:

On 15/10/2012 10:48 AM, brick...@62bricks.com wrote:
Online content that is blocked for certain regions can be viewed 
using a proxy service. There is a simple program called Tunnelbear, 
available at http://tunnelbear.com , that will allow you to view 
content that is restricted to the UK. You just download the program, 
turn it on and set it to UK and sites like BBC iPlayer will 
function. The service is free with a monthly data limit.





Using proxy services is common and completely legal


In the context of Mac's question, the above statement seems overly
simple to me, and a full answer must depend on the country you live
in.

In Canada, using a proxy service is indeed completely legal in
itself. However, with the Copyright Moderization Act passed back in
September it becomes a crimal offence to avoid, bypass, remove,
deactivate or impair [a] technological protection measure unless it 
is

done with the authority of the copyright owner where a technological
protection measure is defined as any effective technology, device or
component that, in the ordinary course of its operation [...] 
controls

access to a work. The new law is still waiting for Royal Assent but
this is expected soon.

In its ordinary course of operation the iPlayer prevents access for
non-UK viewing. This control is in place specifically for copyright
reasons so, to my way of thinking, in Canada use of a proxy could
perhaps be contrued as an attempt to circumvent the protection
measure. An analogy might be that although it's OK to posess a
screwdriver, it is illegal in Canada to use that screwdriver to 
remove

a neighbour's doorlock to get in order to use the pool while the
neighbour is on vacation.

I concede however, that I have no legal training, and of course
there's no Case Law in place yet to guide us on how the courts would
actually view the practice.

Steve








On 15.10.2012 06:05, Mac Oglesby wrote:
Alas! I get a message saying BBC iPlayer programmes are available 
to

play in the UK only,

Any alternatives which might let those of us not in the UK see 
Mike?


Best wishes,

Mac Oglesby



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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread Barry Wainwright
For the sake of those who cannot access it directly, I have uploaded the 
relevant section to https://www.dropbox.com/s/xavxsquc1x1plwt/sundial.m4v

I will leave this file up for the next two weeks only, please do not distribute 
the file URL.

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On 15 Oct 2012, at 12:05, Mac Oglesby ogle...@sover.net wrote:

 
 Alas! I get a message saying BBC iPlayer programmes are available to play in 
 the UK only,
 
 Any alternatives which might let those of us not in the UK see Mike?
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Mac Oglesby
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Hi all,
I've just checked and Mike Shaw's appearance on antiques roadshow 
 with his Pilkington  Gibbs Heliochronometer and Sol Horometer is available 
 on BBC iPlayer as follows.
 
 Google for   BBC iPlayer  where recent programmes are listed 
 alphabetically.
 
 Select 'A' and then 'Antiques Roadshow' where you will have to watch the 
 programme from the beginning.
 
 Best,
 
 Tony Moss.
 
 P.S.  It doesn't always rain in Liverpool/ Port Sunlight! ;-)
 
 
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Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.

2012-10-15 Thread Roger Bailey

Thank you Mike for creating an interesting lesson on heliochronometers.

Thank you, Barry for making this available along the lines of acceptable 
use within the copyright and intellectual property laws. I see the sundial 
list was included as a bcc. I will respect that.


Thank you Steve for pointing out that there are laws on digital copyrights 
that are getting more restrictive. The free internet that we have all 
contributed to is rapidly becoming a restrictive business.


Regards, Roger Bailey


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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 9:02 AM
To: sundial@uni-koeln.de
Subject: Re: BBC iPlayer - Antiques Roadshow.


On 15/10/2012 10:48 AM, brick...@62bricks.com wrote:
Online content that is blocked for certain regions can be viewed using a 
proxy service. There is a simple program called Tunnelbear, available at 
http://tunnelbear.com , that will allow you to view content that is 
restricted to the UK. You just download the program, turn it on and set 
it to UK and sites like BBC iPlayer will function. The service is free 
with a monthly data limit.





Using proxy services is common and completely legal


In the context of Mac's question, the above statement seems overly simple 
to me, and a full answer must depend on the country you live in.


In Canada, using a proxy service is indeed completely legal in itself. 
However, with the Copyright Moderization Act passed back in September it 
becomes a crimal offence to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate or impair 
[a] technological protection measure unless it is done with the authority 
of the copyright owner where a technological protection measure is 
defined as any effective technology, device or component that, in the 
ordinary course of its operation [...] controls access to a work. The new 
law is still waiting for Royal Assent but this is expected soon.


In its ordinary course of operation the iPlayer prevents access for non-UK 
viewing. This control is in place specifically for copyright reasons so, 
to my way of thinking, in Canada use of a proxy could perhaps be contrued 
as an attempt to circumvent the protection measure. An analogy might be 
that although it's OK to posess a screwdriver, it is illegal in Canada to 
use that screwdriver to remove a neighbour's doorlock to get in order to 
use the pool while the neighbour is on vacation.


I concede however, that I have no legal training, and of course there's no 
Case Law in place yet to guide us on how the courts would actually view 
the practice.


Steve








On 15.10.2012 06:05, Mac Oglesby wrote:

Alas! I get a message saying BBC iPlayer programmes are available to
play in the UK only,

Any alternatives which might let those of us not in the UK see Mike?

Best wishes,

Mac Oglesby



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