Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions
Amuza writes: > On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote: >> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote: >>> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging? >> Yes, and it depends what you mean. > > I mean, something like this: > Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet > friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara > (who is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online. > Then Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's > message. Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically > forwarded the message without being able to read it. If you use freemail (email over Freenet), then yes: The data is uploaded in encrypted form into Freenet and only Caroline can decrypt it. Barbara does not even need to be a direct friend of the two: It can be any other freenet node. This is the generalized case of what you describe and powers most of the pseudonymous communication in Freenet. >>> If so, how does it work? >> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on >> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the >> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is >> very poor but it does function. >> >> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that. >> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files. >> > > I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of > asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they? Freemail does the private communication. Sone does Social-network-style communication with pseudonyms. FLIP implements chat with an IRC interface. > It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet. > > Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult: > > In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other > more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox, > IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say > some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet? For zeronet there’s an answer by Chris Double. Scroll down to Conclusion for a comparison: https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/01/15/decentralized-websites-with-zeronet.html A note on IPFS and Freenet is available in his article about hosting websites in Freenet (though mainly focused on hosting with Freenet): https://bluishcoder.co.nz/2015/09/14/using-freenet-for-static-websites.html For a comparison of Freenet with several other tools, see http://www.draketo.de/proj/freenet-funding/#sec-9 Best wishes, Arne -- Unpolitisch sein heißt politisch sein ohne es zu merken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Support Digest, Vol 83, Issue 5
Amuza wrote:
>
>
> On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>
> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions:
>
> How do nodes discover each other?
>
> In opennet mode ("normal" or "low" network security) they connect to
> seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by
> volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible
> connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to
> maintain and improve its connections. [0]
>
> When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if both modes
> are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mutually added.
>
>
> Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special
> configuration?
>
> It depends on what you mean by special configuration. It does require
> that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by trading node
> references, but this is intended as routine configuration.
>
>
> Do they need Internet access?
>
> No, but note that a completely isolated darknet would have no way to
> access the content available through the public opennet network. This
> includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet
> is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though
> performance will be slow.)
>
>
> Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where
> some days there is no Internet access?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
>
> Yes, and it depends what you mean.
>
>
> I mean, something like this:
> Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet
> friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara (who
> is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online. Then
> Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's message.
> Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically forwarded the
> message without being able to read it.
>
> If so, how does it work?
>
> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
> very poor but it does function.
>
> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.
>
>
>
> I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of
> asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Yep. :) Hope this helps.
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
> It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.
>
> Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:
>
> In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other
> more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox,
> IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say
> some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> [0] https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet
> [1]
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>
> [2] http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html
> [3]
> USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eICrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/
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Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions
The Tor comparison is easiest to answer because there's a FAQ entry:
https://freenetproject.org/help.html#tor
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017, 6:14 AM Amuza wrote:
>
>
> On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:
>
> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions:
>
> How do nodes discover each other?
>
> In opennet mode ("normal" or "low" network security) they connect to
> seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by
> volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible
> connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to
> maintain and improve its connections. [0]
>
> When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if both modes
> are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mutually added.
>
>
> Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special
> configuration?
>
> It depends on what you mean by special configuration. It does require
> that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by trading node
> references, but this is intended as routine configuration.
>
>
> Do they need Internet access?
>
> No, but note that a completely isolated darknet would have no way to
> access the content available through the public opennet network. This
> includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet
> is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though
> performance will be slow.)
>
>
> Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where
> some days there is no Internet access?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
>
> Yes, and it depends what you mean.
>
>
> I mean, something like this:
> Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet
> friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara (who
> is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online. Then
> Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's message.
> Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically forwarded the
> message without being able to read it.
>
> If so, how does it work?
>
> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
> very poor but it does function.
>
> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.
>
>
>
> I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of
> asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?
>
> Thank you!!
>
> Yep. :) Hope this helps.
>
> - Steve
>
>
>
> It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.
>
> Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:
>
> In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other
> more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox,
> IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say
> some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?
>
> Thanks again.
>
> [0] https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet
> [1]
> USK@pGQPA-9PcFiE3A2tCuCjacK165UaX07AQYw98iDQrNA,8gwQ67ytBNR03hNj7JU~ceeew22HVq6G50dcEeMcgks,AQACAAE/flip/12/
> [2] http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html
> [3]
> USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eICrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/
>
>
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>
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Re: [freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3.
Hi, On 23/01/17 12:55, neuman wrote: > I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini ... > fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 > fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 > fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 > > pi3 address is 192.168.1.130 and my main computer is 192.168.1.101 You need to put 192.168.1.130 in the fproxy.bindTo line instead of 192.168.1.101. That line governs what addresses the proxy accepts connections through; the others govern where the connections can come from (so they're correct in listing your main computer's address). Hope this helps, Stephen ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3.
Change the fproxy.bindTo= to 192.168.1.130 instead of 192.168.1.101 neuman: > I installed freenet on a raspberry pi3 and for all I can see in the > wrapper its working fine, but I can't seem to be able to figure out how > to access the web console from my main computer. > > Im following the directions here: > https://freenetproject.org/help.html#fproxy-lan > > I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini based on the > directions and a few other pages I've found on google. > > fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 > fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 > fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 > > > pi3 address is 192.168.1.130 and my main computer is 192.168.1.101 > > > In my wrapper.log I found the two following errors: > > Unable to bind to address 192.168.1.101 for port > Could not bind to some of the interfaces specified for port : > [192.168.1.101] > > > Any suggestions? > ___ > Support mailing list > Support@freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Headless install on Pi3.
I installed freenet on a raspberry pi3 and for all I can see in the wrapper its working fine, but I can't seem to be able to figure out how to access the web console from my main computer. Im following the directions here: https://freenetproject.org/help.html#fproxy-lan I've modified the following lines in my freenet.ini based on the directions and a few other pages I've found on google. fproxy.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 fproxy.bindTo=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.101,0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 pi3 address is 192.168.1.130 and my main computer is 192.168.1.101 In my wrapper.log I found the two following errors: Unable to bind to address 192.168.1.101 for port Could not bind to some of the interfaces specified for port : [192.168.1.101] Any suggestions? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Newbie questions
On 22/01/17 19:01, Steve Dougherty wrote:
> On 01/22/2017 12:27 PM, Amuza wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> I have never tried Freenet but I already have some questions:
>>
>> How do nodes discover each other?
> In opennet mode ("normal" or "low" network security) they connect to
> seed nodes (a list of which is included with the software) run by
> volunteers which provide them with an initial set of possible
> connections, and during normal operation performs path folding to
> maintain and improve its connections. [0]
>
> When not in opennet mode (and therefore in "darknet mode;" if both modes
> are in use it's "hybrid") connections must be manually and mutually added.
>
>> Can nodes within a LAN connect to each other without any special
>> configuration?
> It depends on what you mean by special configuration. It does require
> that the nodes' operators add one another as "friends" by trading node
> references, but this is intended as routine configuration.
>
>> Do they need Internet access?
> No, but note that a completely isolated darknet would have no way to
> access the content available through the public opennet network. This
> includes updates to the software. As long as one member of the darknet
> is also connected to opennet this will not be the case. (Though
> performance will be slow.)
>
>> Would nodes keep automatically connecting when they are in a LAN where
>> some days there is no Internet access?
> Yes.
>
>> Does Freenet have any kind of real asynchronous messaging?
> Yes, and it depends what you mean.
I mean, something like this:
Alice is online and sends a message which has Caroline (her Freenet
friend) as the recipient, but Caroline is offline. Fortunately Barbara
(who is a common Freenet friend of both Alice and Caroline) is online.
Then Alice goes offline. Then Caroline goes online and receives Alice's
message. Barbara (or other common online Freenet friend) automatically
forwarded the message without being able to read it.
>
>> If so, how does it work?
> Darknet peers can send direct messages by clicking on the peer's name on
> the friends page. If the peers are not both online and connected the
> message will be deferred until they are. The user interface for this is
> very poor but it does function.
>
> Otherwise, messaging tools like FLIP, Freemail, or Sone can do that.
> [1][2][3] They work by inserting and fetching the messages as files.
>
I guess some of those three messaging tools do somehow the kind of
asynchronous messaging I meant. Do they?
>> Thank you!!
> Yep. :) Hope this helps.
>
> - Steve
It does! Great explanations! As soon as I have a while I will try Freenet.
Let me ask another one, this one is more difficult:
In the case you, or anyone in this list, know a bit about other
more-or-less similar decentralized tools like Retroshare, Zeronet, Tox,
IPFS, etc, could you very briefly compare them to Freenet and easily say
some advantage or disadvantage of some of those tools over Freenet?
Thanks again.
> [0] https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet
> [1]
> USK@pGQPA-9PcFiE3A2tCuCjacK165UaX07AQYw98iDQrNA,8gwQ67ytBNR03hNj7JU~ceeew22HVq6G50dcEeMcgks,AQACAAE/flip/12/
> [2] http://freesocial.draketo.de/freemail_en.html
> [3]
> USK@nwa8lHa271k2QvJ8aa0Ov7IHAV-DFOCFgmDt3X6BpCI,DuQSUZiI~agF8c-6tjsFFGuZ8eICrzWCILB60nT8KKo,AQACAAE/sone/75/
>
>
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