Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Evan, You are right - there is a lot of data to show that social networks do expand in the method being said here, but that data is based on known, non-anonymous social networks. In an anonymous network the rule of thumb is trust no one. If an openet is not the solution, neither is posting information with an embeded IP number the solution. I don't know how the openet is hackable, especially if node connections pr paths through nodes change randomly (TOR-like), but with a manually established network it only takes capturing 1 node and the entire freenet is at risk. I would be more inclined to exchange node information with someone if the information were encrypted - private/public key. In an anonymous social network I would be more inclined to expand that network to others because my node information is encrypted. From: Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:37 -0400 Please justify your assumptions. There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how they look. I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet darknet would be built upon would be different. Evan On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a good thing. On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian, How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group trades connection information with someone in another group? Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is built upon. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HTML a href=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=0amp;t=57;img border=0 alt=Get Firefox! title=Get Firefox! src=http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif//a ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or T3 could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have to work with. As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group of people that are promoting 0.7 as the way to go. They have ideas about how it will work, but so far I haven't seen convincing evidence to show how it's going to actually do what they say. I understand 0.7 is in it's infancy, but it's really premature and living in an incubator. It's got a long way to go to be able to meet the level of use people are claiming it will have. I was running 0.7, I'm in the process of changing OS on the PC that was running it, but I did not like having to exchange information with someone on IRC. It's the first time I've ever had anything to do with IRC, and though some people are IRC advocates I've never been one. I didn't know the people I was connecting to at all, and the only reason it didn't bother me was because I was simply provide a computer and bandwidth. If I had an agenda, or a real reason to be using freenet, I would never have considered giving out information. I was about as anonymous as if I had posted my IP address on Google for everyone to view. It may be called darknet, but someone forgot to turn off the light. Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a good thing. On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian, How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group trades connection information with someone in another group? Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? They won't. But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of connected users it will gain a connection to a different network. And then you have a global network. This is what is meant when people say 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is built upon. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HTML a href=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=0amp;t=57;img border=0 alt=Get Firefox! title=Get Firefox! src=http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif//a ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 01:54:16 +0200 On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All they have to do is go to the IRC Chat and advertise they have freenet and want to exchange information with someone. Someone exchanges information with them and they in. Or are you saying everyone who joined was tricked into joining Freenet in the first place? For now that is true, they could just go on IRC and get connected but I'm talking about in the long run and people who are way too cautious to do something as silly as that. Anyway the IRC thing is just for bootstrapping the main network the devs are trying to create. People who want to have their own private darknets can easily do so too. I get it, freenet is not a worldwide community (openet), it's a bunch of private nets (darknets). Instead of growing to be huge like 0.5, 0.7 is inherently made to be small, unless you want to advertise on IRC. For now, my 'advertised on IRC' machine, is used for testing purposes only. Once things are running I remove all of my connections and build my own darknet of people I know and we use it as a private place to meet. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Except that probably one of your friends knows someone on an other network, exchanges refs, and bang!, you've got a big worldwide network again. Or one of them goes into an IRC chat and exchanges the information and bang you're all busted. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
No, only he is busted. How do you figure that? Doesn't he have connections that canthen be traced and then the connections of those traced? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible. If the person was busted their computer would be captured. I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope freenet doesn't write information outside that container, no matter what the OS. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
From: Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:55:31 -0400 On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should not be possible to trace them easily. Of course, if his PC gets captured, that's possible. If the person was busted their computer would be captured. I guess the only safe way is to run freenet from inside an encrypted (truecrypt or the like) partition or container and just hope freenet doesn't write information outside that container, no matter what the OS. I'm confused... is this supposed to be an argument in favor of 0.5??? Evan No it's a discussion about security. Sounds like there are security issues in either version. It's just a matter of which security limitations you are wanting to accept. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router port for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes and establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application. That said, here is by question. From what I've seen here, there is a huge base of Freenet users on 0.5, and a large amount of content. What I fail to understand is why going to version 0.7 all of that userbase and content was dropped. Why there was no way to connect to that Freenet and have access to the users and the content. I've tried to think of an example of some other internet application that made such a radical change that the entire existing base was dropped, and quite frankly I can't come up with one. I've seen application for my PC change so radically the data from the old application had to be converted before it would work, but a migration path was always provided. Developers, why did you do that? I'm new to the Freenet community, and I find it incredulous that years of effort involved with building the Freenet community was abandoned completely. What you have created is a 0.5 and a 0.7 Freenet; both will exist into the future. Just as many security conscious people quit upgrading PGP after 6.52 because source code was no longer readily available, many people will quit upgrading Freenet after 0.5. The difference is with PGP a file encrypted with 6.52 can be read by the newer versions. Freenet has isolated all of it's previous userbase and content. There is a saying, Throwing out the baby with the bath water. You have done just that. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
Evan, Would you define this statement? they're (developers) working against a very real clock. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local LAN. That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router port for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes and establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application. That said, here is by question. From what I've seen here, there is a huge base of Freenet users on 0.5, and a large amount of content. What I fail to understand is why going to version 0.7 all of that userbase and content was dropped. Why there was no way to connect to that Freenet and have access to the users and the content. I've tried to think of an example of some other internet application that made such a radical change that the entire existing base was dropped, and quite frankly I can't come up with one. I've seen application for my PC change so radically the data from the old application had to be converted before it would work, but a migration path was always provided. Developers, why did you do that? I'm new to the Freenet community, and I find it incredulous that years of effort involved with building the Freenet community was abandoned completely. What you have created is a 0.5 and a 0.7 Freenet; both will exist into the future. Just as many security conscious people quit upgrading PGP after 6.52 because source code was no longer readily available, many people will quit upgrading Freenet after 0.5. The difference is with PGP a file encrypted with 6.52 can be read by the newer versions. Freenet has isolated all of it's previous userbase and content. There is a saying, Throwing out the baby with the bath water. You have done just that. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HTML a href=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=0amp;t=57;img border=0 alt=Get Firefox! title=Get Firefox! src=http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif//a ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list
Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7
So by running 0.7 in default mode I'm running in darknet? Or is there another piece of the freenet puzzle I need to discover? From: Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: Migration path, please! (Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0,7 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:46:11 -0400 On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Evan, Would you define this statement? they're (developers) working against a very real clock. Happily. At some point, running Freenet will (likely) become illegal, assuming current trends continue. This includes in the West. It may already be in France. It is safe to assume that developing Freenet will have the same legal status, whatever that may be. When that happens, the darknet needs to be sufficiently functional for development to move off the public net and onto the darknet. If the darknet can't support a collaborative development effort by then, we have a real problem. It may or may not be enough to kill Freenet entirely, but it would be a big enough setback to make data resets and incompatible versions look rosy by comparison. Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All they have to do is go to the IRC Chat and advertise they have freenet and want to exchange information with someone. Someone exchanges information with them and they in. Or are you saying everyone who joined was tricked into joining Freenet in the first place? I guess you mean there will be all these small darknets of people who are isolated from the rest of the wrold because they don't know anyone they can trust so they will never give out their node information. If that were the case, I wouldn't be running a freenet server right now. I would be me, with freenet running; an isolated entity within my own darknet, because I've never met anyone who has ever said they were running freenet. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains information about 0.7. I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to and am simply a node in a collective whole. I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] It just isn't easy
I was going to dedicate a PC and it's resources to Freenet. I installed the application but don't have someone to connect to. I was able to create the URL with my information, but now I have to get on the IRC channel. I got Mirc, but it doesn't have the freenet server listed. I'm never going to use Mirc for anything but to find someone to connect to. So far I just don't have time to learn how to use IRC just to find someone to connect to. Anyone want to tell me how to do it? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] It just isn't easy
Use it how? In Mirc? Where do I put it? From: Stefan Grönberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It just isn't easy Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:59:36 +0200 use this: /server irc.freenode.net:6667 -j #Freenet-Refs and you connect and auto join the ref share channel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to dedicate a PC and it's resources to Freenet. I installed the application but don't have someone to connect to. I was able to create the URL with my information, but now I have to get on the IRC channel. I got Mirc, but it doesn't have the freenet server listed. I'm never going to use Mirc for anything but to find someone to connect to. So far I just don't have time to learn how to use IRC just to find someone to connect to. Anyone want to tell me how to do it? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] It just isn't easy
Sorry to be so dumb, but when I put that in the status window and press enter I get a message that says you are not on a channel. My status is not connected. From: Stefan Grönberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It just isn't easy Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 17:18:12 +0200 yes, in the status window [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use it how? In Mirc? Where do I put it? From: Stefan Grönberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] It just isn't easy Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:59:36 +0200 use this: /server irc.freenode.net:6667 -j #Freenet-Refs and you connect and auto join the ref share channel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was going to dedicate a PC and it's resources to Freenet. I installed the application but don't have someone to connect to. I was able to create the URL with my information, but now I have to get on the IRC channel. I got Mirc, but it doesn't have the freenet server listed. I'm never going to use Mirc for anything but to find someone to connect to. So far I just don't have time to learn how to use IRC just to find someone to connect to. Anyone want to tell me how to do it? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [freenet-support] Exception in thread Decoder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm on the irc channel. Now I have to find that place that tells me how to post but bulix URL. I think it said use ?raw at the end, but can't remember exactly. Once I can get this freenet connection I'll let it run with about 1/3 of my BW. I can contribute at least a little to freedon, and maybe later I can learn how to do other things with it. _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] create a signature
How do I create a signature in FROST? Also, when I reply or post a new message I don't see my posts. I've tried posting in test but don't see them. Any suggestions? _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
