Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7

[diddler4u]

I agree. I wouldn't want to be the only connection between 2 networks, or 
even one of a small few. I simply don't have the bandwidth. Maybe a T1 or T3 
could handle it, but not what 90+% of the people using freenet would have to 
work with.

As I follow these threads I begin to see a core group of people that are 
promoting 0.7 as the way to go. They have ideas about how it will work, but 
so far I haven't seen convincing evidence to show how it's going to actually 
do what they say. I understand 0.7 is in it's infancy, but it's really 
premature and living in an incubator. It's got a long way to go to be able 
to meet the level of use people are claiming it will have.

I was running 0.7, I'm in the process of changing OS on the PC that was 
running it, but I did not like having to exchange information with someone 
on IRC. It's the first time I've ever had anything to do with IRC, and 
though some people are IRC advocates I've never been one. I didn't know the 
people I was connecting to at all, and the only reason it didn't bother me 
was because I was simply provide a computer and bandwidth. If I had an 
agenda, or a real reason to be using freenet, I would never have considered 
giving out information. I was about as anonymous as if I had posted my IP 
address on Google for everyone to view.

It may be called darknet, but someone forgot to turn off the light.


Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know
the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the
networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And
wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if
you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you
request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of
connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than
connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect
between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the
ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual
networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you
have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you
have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a
good thing.


On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that 
happens
> >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main
> >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is
> >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
> >>everyone else.
> >
> >That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global  
network, not
> >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.
> >
> >Ian.
>
> Ian,
>
> How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group
> trades connection information with someone in another group?
>
> Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another 
in
> Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 
freenets. No
> one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, 
and
> they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to 
connect to
> because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their
> freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global 
network?

They won't.  But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good
reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of
connected users it will gain a connection to a different network.  And
then you have a global network.  This is what is meant when people say
0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except
for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is
built upon.

Evan
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