Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network
On Fri, Jan 09, 2004 at 01:55:15AM +, Toad wrote: > On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 01:01:19PM +, Stephen Mollett wrote: > > Hi, > > > > --- Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some > > > popular boards seem > > > almost all to be retrievable both from the "stable" > > > and the "unstable" > > > network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes > > must be > > > connecting to both networks? > > > > I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with > > Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes > > for browsing? If you're just switching one node > > between the networks then, after switching, the > > datastore will still have the messages cached after > > they were retrieved on the other network. > > > > On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed > > feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with > > the same datastore encryption key, which are > > periodically stopped and synchronised in order to > > narrow the schism between the networks and aid the > > flow of content? > > It would even be possible to spider the network, or scan one's store, > and then reinsert data onto a different network, without necessarily > knowing the decrypted contents or the SSK keys. However unstablenet is a > lot smaller than stablenet, so it wouldn't be very practical. Well, it'd be possible with software support for raw inserts. Spidering one network, downloading the raw data for each key, and then doing a raw insert on the other network, would be quite feasible. > > > > Regards, > > Stephen > > > > > > = > > == > > > > Buy a Pentium 4 (tm) for more accurate errors, > > faster crashes, brighter blue screens and > > quicker reboots! > > > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 01:01:19PM +, Stephen Mollett wrote: > Hi, > > --- Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some > > popular boards seem > > almost all to be retrievable both from the "stable" > > and the "unstable" > > network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes > must be > > connecting to both networks? > > I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with > Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes > for browsing? If you're just switching one node > between the networks then, after switching, the > datastore will still have the messages cached after > they were retrieved on the other network. > > On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed > feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with > the same datastore encryption key, which are > periodically stopped and synchronised in order to > narrow the schism between the networks and aid the > flow of content? It would even be possible to spider the network, or scan one's store, and then reinsert data onto a different network, without necessarily knowing the decrypted contents or the SSK keys. However unstablenet is a lot smaller than stablenet, so it wouldn't be very practical. > > Regards, > Stephen > > > = > == > > Buy a Pentium 4 (tm) for more accurate errors, > faster crashes, brighter blue screens and > quicker reboots! > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network
On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 06:31:48PM +, Roger Hayter wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen > Mollett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Hi, > > > >--- Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some > >>popular boards seem > >>almost all to be retrievable both from the "stable" > >>and the "unstable" > >>network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes > >must be > >>connecting to both networks? > > > >I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with > >Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes > >for browsing? > > Yes > > > >If you're just switching one node > >between the networks then, after switching, the > >datastore will still have the messages cached after > >they were retrieved on the other network. > > > >On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed > >feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with > >the same datastore encryption key, which are > >periodically stopped and synchronised in order to > >narrow the schism between the networks and aid the > >flow of content? > > > >Regards, > >Stephen > > > Perhaps people doing this is one possible explanation of my observation. More likely is simply that we get new nodes migrating from stable to unstable constantly, bringing their datastore with them. > > > > > > > >= > > -- > Roger Hayter > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen Mollett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi, --- Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some popular boards seem almost all to be retrievable both from the "stable" and the "unstable" network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes must be connecting to both networks? I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes for browsing? Yes If you're just switching one node between the networks then, after switching, the datastore will still have the messages cached after they were retrieved on the other network. On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with the same datastore encryption key, which are periodically stopped and synchronised in order to narrow the schism between the networks and aid the flow of content? Regards, Stephen Perhaps people doing this is one possible explanation of my observation. = -- Roger Hayter ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
Re: [freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network
Hi, --- Roger Hayter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some > popular boards seem > almost all to be retrievable both from the "stable" > and the "unstable" > network? ... doesn't this suggest that some nodes must be > connecting to both networks? I haven't noticed this (I've never had much luck with Frost) but are you using two totally separate nodes for browsing? If you're just switching one node between the networks then, after switching, the datastore will still have the messages cached after they were retrieved on the other network. On the same topic, would it be a good idea (or indeed feasible) to run two nodes, one on each network, with the same datastore encryption key, which are periodically stopped and synchronised in order to narrow the schism between the networks and aid the flow of content? Regards, Stephen = == Buy a Pentium 4 (tm) for more accurate errors, faster crashes, brighter blue screens and quicker reboots! Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
[freenet-support] Connection between stable and unstable network
Has anyone noticed that Frost messages in some popular boards seem almost all to be retrievable both from the "stable" and the "unstable" network? I have made no systematic check on files or boards in general, but doesn't this suggest that some nodes must be connecting to both networks? This presumably has a significant effect on routing, as these nodes will be the best route to the other network, regardless of keyspace. -- Roger Hayter ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
