[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[an ominous cow herd]

Mine fluctuates between 100 and 200 active connections with 800 known nodes.  
I have seen people bragging about having several hundred active connections 
and thousands of known nodes.  

On Wednesday 23 August 2006 11:19, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and
> I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all
> inbound I guess.
>
> On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland  wrote:
> > 400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100.
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> > > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
> > > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
> > > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
> > > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.
> > >
> > > On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> > > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version
> > > > 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk
> > > > about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet
> > > > site hoping to
> > > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only
> > > > contains information about 0.7.
> > > >
> > > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
> > > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer,
> > > > and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know
> > > > another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and
> > > > manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have
> > > > established a connection to
> > > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running
> > > >Freenet
> > > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could
> > > >connect
> > > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I
> > > > have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these
> > > > people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the
> > > > other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as
> > > > easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other
> > > > organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do
> > > > know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some
> > > > people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent
> > > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth
> > > > much.
> > > >
> > > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7
> > > >nodes,
> > > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the
> > > > information, the
> > > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if
> > > > they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to
> > > > find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat
> > > > trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I
> > > > have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my
> > > > machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays
> > > > connected.
> > > >
> > > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found
> > > > on IRC
> > > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new
> > > > connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something
> > > > else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that
> > > > connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections
> > > > throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm
> > > > connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can
> > > > honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to
> > > >and am simply a node in a collective whole.
> > > >
> > > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress.
> > > > I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks
> > > > decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down
> > > > completely.
> > > >
> > > >_
> > > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now!
> > > >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > > >
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[Ian Clarke]

Please move this conversation to the chat mailing list, it really  
doesn't belong here.

Ian.

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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[Matthew Toseland]

400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
> Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
> connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
> probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.
> 
> 
> On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
> >vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
> >OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping 
> >to
> >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
> >information about 0.7.
> >
> >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
> >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
> >it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
> >user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
> >connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection 
> >to
> >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running 
> >Freenet
> >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could 
> >connect
> >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
> >no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
> >For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
> >the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
> >FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
> >messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
> >tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to 
> >Freent
> >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.
> >
> >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 
> >nodes,
> >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, 
> >the
> >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
> >come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
> >nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
> >people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
> >spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
> >to have to make sure it stays connected.
> >
> >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on 
> >IRC
> >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
> >to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
> >automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
> >made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
> >should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
> >throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected 
> >to
> >and am simply a node in a collective whole.
> >
> >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
> >leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
> >whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.
> >
> >_
> >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now!
> >http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> >
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[Lars Juel Nielsen]

On 8/23/06, urza9814 at gmail.com  wrote:
> With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
> Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
> connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
> probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.

The problem with this is that it's very cheap and easy to infiltrate
such a network compared to the darknet aproach that 0.7 is taking.
It's just a matter of having enough bandwidth, and a slightly modified
freenetnode and you can pretend to be a lot of nodes(or you could just
run a lot of nodes) and get connected all over the network and start
snooping on stuff. Then a bunch of CPU time to crack the encryption
used.

Very easy to automate and very cheap compared to what you have to do
to do the same on a darknet.

On a darknet you have to use social engineering to trick members to
letting you in, and that mean you also have to find a member first if
they have a small network by themselves instead of using the main
network.

>
>
> On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
> > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
> > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to
> > find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
> > information about 0.7.
> >
> > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
> > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
> > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
> > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
> > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to
> > someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet
> > I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect
> > to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
> > no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
> > For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
> > the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
> > FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
> > messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
> > tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent
> > fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.
> >
> > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes,
> > none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the
> > last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
> > come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
> > nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
> > people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
> > spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
> > to have to make sure it stays connected.
> >
> > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC
> > chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
> > to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
> > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
> > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
> > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
> > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to
> > and am simply a node in a collective whole.
> >
> > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
> > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
> > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.
> >
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[urza9...@gmail.com]

My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and
I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all
inbound I guess.

On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland  wrote:
> 400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote:
> > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
> > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
> > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
> > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.
> >
> >
> > On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> > >I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
> > >vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
> > >OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping
> > >to
> > >find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
> > >information about 0.7.
> > >
> > >I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
> > >bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
> > >it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
> > >user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
> > >connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection
> > >to
> > >someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running
> > >Freenet
> > >I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could
> > >connect
> > >to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
> > >no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
> > >For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
> > >the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
> > >FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
> > >messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
> > >tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to
> > >Freent
> > >fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.
> > >
> > >I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7
> > >nodes,
> > >none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information,
> > >the
> > >last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
> > >come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
> > >nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
> > >people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
> > >spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
> > >to have to make sure it stays connected.
> > >
> > >Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on
> > >IRC
> > >chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
> > >to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
> > >automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
> > >made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
> > >should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
> > >throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected
> > >to
> > >and am simply a node in a collective whole.
> > >
> > >I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
> > >leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
> > >whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.
> > >
> > >_
> > >FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now!
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[diddle...@hotmail.com]

I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 
vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about 
OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to 
find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains 
information about 0.7.

I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my 
bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got 
it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet 
user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a 
connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to 
someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet 
I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect 
to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have 
no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. 
For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, 
the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, 
FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track 
messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I 
tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent 
fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.

I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, 
none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the 
last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they 
come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new 
nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get 
people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to 
spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going 
to have to make sure it stays connected.

Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC 
chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection 
to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to 
automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is 
made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I 
should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections 
throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to 
and am simply a node in a collective whole.

I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll 
leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide 
whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.

_
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[urza9...@gmail.com]

With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.


On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com  wrote:
> I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
> vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
> OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to
> find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
> information about 0.7.
>
> I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
> bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
> it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
> user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
> connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to
> someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet
> I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect
> to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
> no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
> For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
> the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
> FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
> messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
> tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent
> fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.
>
> I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes,
> none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the
> last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
> come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
> nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
> people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
> spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
> to have to make sure it stays connected.
>
> Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC
> chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
> to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
> automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
> made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
> should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
> throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to
> and am simply a node in a collective whole.
>
> I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
> leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
> whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.
>
> _
> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now!
> http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
>
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[diddler4u]

I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 
vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about 
OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to 
find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains 
information about 0.7.


I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my 
bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got 
it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet 
user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a 
connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to 
someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet 
I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect 
to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have 
no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. 
For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, 
the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, 
FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track 
messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I 
tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent 
fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.


I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, 
none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the 
last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they 
come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new 
nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get 
people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to 
spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going 
to have to make sure it stays connected.


Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC 
chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection 
to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to 
automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is 
made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I 
should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections 
throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to 
and am simply a node in a collective whole.


I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll 
leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide 
whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.


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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[urza9814]

With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.


On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to
find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
information about 0.7.

I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to
someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet
I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect
to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent
fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.

I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes,
none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the
last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
to have to make sure it stays connected.

Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC
chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to
and am simply a node in a collective whole.

I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[Lars Juel Nielsen]

On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.


The problem with this is that it's very cheap and easy to infiltrate
such a network compared to the darknet aproach that 0.7 is taking.
It's just a matter of having enough bandwidth, and a slightly modified
freenetnode and you can pretend to be a lot of nodes(or you could just
run a lot of nodes) and get connected all over the network and start
snooping on stuff. Then a bunch of CPU time to crack the encryption
used.

Very easy to automate and very cheap compared to what you have to do
to do the same on a darknet.

On a darknet you have to use social engineering to trick members to
letting you in, and that mean you also have to find a member first if
they have a small network by themselves instead of using the main
network.




On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
 OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to
 find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
 information about 0.7.

 I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
 bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
 it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
 user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
 connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to
 someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet
 I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect
 to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
 no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
 For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
 the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
 FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
 messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
 tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent
 fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.

 I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes,
 none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the
 last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
 come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
 nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
 people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
 spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
 to have to make sure it stays connected.

 Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC
 chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
 to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
 automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
 made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
 should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
 throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to
 and am simply a node in a collective whole.

 I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
 leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
 whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[Matthew Toseland]

400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
 Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
 connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
 probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.
 
 
 On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
 OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping 
 to
 find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
 information about 0.7.
 
 I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
 bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
 it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
 user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
 connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection 
 to
 someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running 
 Freenet
 I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could 
 connect
 to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
 no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
 For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
 the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
 FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
 messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
 tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to 
 Freent
 fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.
 
 I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 
 nodes,
 none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, 
 the
 last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
 come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
 nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
 people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
 spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
 to have to make sure it stays connected.
 
 Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on 
 IRC
 chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
 to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
 automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
 made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
 should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
 throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected 
 to
 and am simply a node in a collective whole.
 
 I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
 leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
 whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.
 
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[urza9814]

My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and
I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all
inbound I guess.

On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100.

On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
 Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
 connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
 probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.


 On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
 OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping
 to
 find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
 information about 0.7.
 
 I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
 bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
 it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
 user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
 connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection
 to
 someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running
 Freenet
 I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could
 connect
 to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
 no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
 For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
 the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
 FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
 messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
 tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to
 Freent
 fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.
 
 I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7
 nodes,
 none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information,
 the
 last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
 come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
 nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
 people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
 spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
 to have to make sure it stays connected.
 
 Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on
 IRC
 chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
 to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
 automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
 made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
 should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
 throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected
 to
 and am simply a node in a collective whole.
 
 I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
 leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
 whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.
 
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7

[an ominous cow herd]

Mine fluctuates between 100 and 200 active connections with 800 known nodes.  
I have seen people bragging about having several hundred active connections 
and thousands of known nodes.  

On Wednesday 23 August 2006 11:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My bad. 400 known nodes. Though...I have 50 connections right now and
 I'm not doing anything. Not running frost, not surving any sites...all
 inbound I guess.

 On 8/23/06, Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  400 connections? I hardly ever saw more than 100.
 
  On Wed, Aug 23, 2006 at 09:09:59AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
   Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
   connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
   probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.
  
   On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version
0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk
about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet
site hoping to
   find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only
contains information about 0.7.
   
   I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
   bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer,
and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know
another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and
manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have
established a connection to
   someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running
   Freenet
   I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could
   connect
   to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I
have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these
people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the
other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as
easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other
organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do
know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some
people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent
   fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth
much.
   
   I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7
   nodes,
   none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the
information, the
   last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if
they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to
find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat
trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I
have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my
machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays
connected.
   
   Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found
on IRC
   chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new
connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something
else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that
connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections
throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm
connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can
honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to
   and am simply a node in a collective whole.
   
   I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress.
I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks
decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down
completely.
   
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