Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
>yeah, but now you only add routes if they've successfully responded to >a request. To sabotage freenet, the FBI/whoever would have to make >requests succeed; making freenet a success. Nah - they each add each other to the network and insert and request files with unique keys that no one else cares about. also the doAnnounce thing... ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
Edgar Friendly: > To sabotage freenet, the FBI/whoever would have to make requests succeed; > making freenet a failure anyway. Above statement gently nudged into reality. ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
Vitenka - Zen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >No. If other nodes can push references into your routing table, the > >whole anonymity aspect of freenet goes up in smoke as the > >CIA/FBI/whoever "fixes" everyone's routing tables to point to them. > > So you add the FBI nodes to your current routes and the routes that good nodes are >sending you. > > I don't see how that is different from now. > yeah, but now you only add routes if they've successfully responded to a request. To sabotage freenet, the FBI/whoever would have to make requests succeed; making freenet a success. Thelema -- E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Raabu and Piisu GPG 1024D/36352AAB fpr:756D F615 B4F3 BFFC 02C7 84B7 D8D7 6ECE 3635 2AAB ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
>No. If other nodes can push references into your routing table, the >whole anonymity aspect of freenet goes up in smoke as the >CIA/FBI/whoever "fixes" everyone's routing tables to point to them. So you add the FBI nodes to your current routes and the routes that good nodes are sending you. I don't see how that is different from now. ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 08:30:29AM +, Roger Hayter wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edgar Friendly > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Vitenka - Zen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > >>Do hosts transmit routing tables to each other > >>periodically? Obviously you wouldn't want to trust > >>a routing table you have been sent - but you could > >>at least harvest new node addreses from it. > >> > >No. If other nodes can push references into your routing table, the > >whole anonymity aspect of freenet goes up in smoke as the > >CIA/FBI/whoever "fixes" everyone's routing tables to point to them. > > > >>I don't think the 'time until your routing table is > >>sensible' is actually my problem though - my whole > >>routing table keeps getting eaten. I'm rolling > >>back to build 527. > >> > >Try a different set of seed nodes. > > > >Thelema > > What is different about how a transient node, and a permanent node > attempts contacts with the nodes in its routeing table, or about how > they respond? With the same set of nodes, my transient node easily > contacts 30 or 50 of them >50% of the time, but the permanent node > manages <2%, and therefore drops them all. It isn't just overloading, > because the same thing happens when the node is just servicing about 20 > requests per hour, and has only one or two references left. Please try 530. > > -- > Roger Hayter > -- Matthew Toseland [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet/Coldstore open source hacker. Employed full time by Freenet Project Inc. from 11/9/02 to 11/11/02. http://freenetproject.org/ msg01995/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Edgar Friendly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Vitenka - Zen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Do hosts transmit routing tables to each other periodically? Obviously you wouldn't want to trust a routing table you have been sent - but you could at least harvest new node addreses from it. No. If other nodes can push references into your routing table, the whole anonymity aspect of freenet goes up in smoke as the CIA/FBI/whoever "fixes" everyone's routing tables to point to them. I don't think the 'time until your routing table is sensible' is actually my problem though - my whole routing table keeps getting eaten. I'm rolling back to build 527. Try a different set of seed nodes. Thelema What is different about how a transient node, and a permanent node attempts contacts with the nodes in its routeing table, or about how they respond? With the same set of nodes, my transient node easily contacts 30 or 50 of them >50% of the time, but the permanent node manages <2%, and therefore drops them all. It isn't just overloading, because the same thing happens when the node is just servicing about 20 requests per hour, and has only one or two references left. -- Roger Hayter ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
Vitenka - Zen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do hosts transmit routing tables to each other > periodically? Obviously you wouldn't want to trust > a routing table you have been sent - but you could > at least harvest new node addreses from it. > No. If other nodes can push references into your routing table, the whole anonymity aspect of freenet goes up in smoke as the CIA/FBI/whoever "fixes" everyone's routing tables to point to them. > I don't think the 'time until your routing table is > sensible' is actually my problem though - my whole > routing table keeps getting eaten. I'm rolling > back to build 527. > Try a different set of seed nodes. Thelema -- E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Raabu and Piisu GPG 1024D/36352AAB fpr:756D F615 B4F3 BFFC 02C7 84B7 D8D7 6ECE 3635 2AAB ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
Ok, that all makes sense. I missed the part about chooing which host to ask questions about based upon lexicographical closeness to the keys it has returned before. Do hosts transmit routing tables to each other periodically? Obviously you wouldn't want to trust a routing table you have been sent - but you could at least harvest new node addreses from it. I don't think the 'time until your routing table is sensible' is actually my problem though - my whole routing table keeps getting eaten. I'm rolling back to build 527. ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Vitenka - Zen wrote: > I mean, how many nodes? Because I see a big problem. My node sees about 145 nodes right now. > If I upload a file with an HTL of 5 (10 being the 'max sensible' the client > recommends) > > And you download with an HTL of 15 > > Then if there are at least 16 sites it becomes posisble for you to fail to > find my insert - and once there are 50 node it becomes likely. True, but this would be the case only if nodes couldn't rely on their routing tables to efficiently decide which node to forward the request to. In the early days of version 0.4 development this was the case, because the developers were making changes to the FNP(Freenet Node Protocol, used by the nodes to talk to each other) and the routing code. To test the changes, they had to make the new versions incompatible with the older versions. In essence, they forced the new versions to create a new network, making most of their routing tables useless. > If peoples routing tables are full, and there are a few thousand nodes... how > will new content ever be found? The existing stuff is ok, because it's > already mirrored. A key does not have to be in any node's routing table to be found. Freenet routing works by forwarding a request for a key to the node having similar keys. It compares the requested key to all the keys in the routing table and sends the request to the node with the key closest to the requested key. > Do you have to rely upon having five or six logically distant people > requesting your file and going away unsatisfied each day so that everyone else > can see it? Or have I misunderstood the white paper? In an optimal situation (infinite storage space and good routing tables), all you have to do to publish your content and have it retrievable for everyone is to insert it once. The routing code forwards your insert to the node most likely to be queried for the data. All subsequent requests with a high enough HTL for that data will be forwarded to that node, allowing anyone to retrieve it. -- Mika Hirvonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://nightwatch.mine.nu/ ___ support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hawk.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
[freenet-support] How big is freenet, right now, you think?
I mean, how many nodes? Because I see a big problem.
If I upload a file with an HTL of 5 (10 being the 'max sensible' the client
recommends)
And you download with an HTL of 15
Then if there are at least 16 sites it becomes posisble for you to fail to
find my insert - and once there are 50 node it becomes likely.
If peoples routing tables are full, and there are a few thousand nodes... how
will new content ever be found? The existing stuff is ok, because it's
already mirrored.
Do you have to rely upon having five or six logically distant people
requesting your file and going away unsatisfied each day so that everyone else
can see it? Or have I misunderstood the white paper?
{Which has far too few 'node can do this for added privacy' with very little
expansion on what the impacts of your average node not doing it means}
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