[freenet-support] Re: routing table
Victor Denisov schrieb: Wow!!! Man, how do you use computers at all with such prices for brand memory? I've just checked - retail Kingston 256 Mb PC133 module costs $38-$45 here in Russia, and we consider our computer parts market to be quite expensive compared to western one. Like I said this is one of the most expensive ones, you can get brand 256 MB PC133 memory for around 80 euro to 90 euro. The prices for PC133 are also higher than the prices for DDR modules because they did become really rare here. But DDR modules don't fit into the older machines most people use for server purposes. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: routing table
> Well there are Countrys where bandwidth is very cheap or free for home users > while memory is really expensive. For around 10$ per month I get unlimited > bandwitdh on my adsl line. Take a look at the attached Image to see how "cheap" > brand memory can be (noname memory isn't a subject cause it is a shure way > to make your system unstable). This is one of the most expensive here, but it > is still a quite good example for way higher prices in different countrys. Wow!!! Man, how do you use computers at all with such prices for brand memory? I've just checked - retail Kingston 256 Mb PC133 module costs $38-$45 here in Russia, and we consider our computer parts market to be quite expensive compared to western one. On the other hand, our broadband access is really expensive - the best you can have here in Moscow is either 7500/768 with 5 Gb traffic limit (and $10/Gb over the limit) or 128/64 unlimited, both for $99/month. Regards, Victor Denisov, CEO, Jera Systems, Moscow, Russia ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: routing table
Toad schrieb: Upgrade it to 256MB. Your motherboard doesn't support 256MB? That sounds unlikely if it can take a celeron 400. If you are so poor that you can't afford the $50 upgrade, well frankly, can you afford the bandwidth? Well there are Countrys where bandwidth is very cheap or free for home users while memory is really expensive. For around 10$ per month I get unlimited bandwitdh on my adsl line. Take a look at the attached Image to see how "cheap" brand memory can be (noname memory isn't a subject cause it is a shure way to make your system unstable). This is one of the most expensive here, but it is still a quite good example for way higher prices in different countrys. <>___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: routing table
Please read my other mail on this subject before passing judgement - what I am working on at the moment may actually have some bearing on this. On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:15:22AM +, Toad wrote: > On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 07:19:28PM +0100, Alban Bedel wrote: > > Hi Toad, > > > > on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:37:46 + you wrote: > > > > Before i start i must say i always like the idea of freenet. I tried > > it a couple time long ago but i never had enouth disk space to devote. > > I tried the current stable yesterday and i must say i was disapointed. > > Yes, there are major problems with the network that are being worked > out, agonizingly slowly.. > > > First, like many here, by the insane amout of mem it sucked. > > It's unfortunate, however given the size of the network, it's > performance level, and the consequent reasonable deduction that only > geeks will use it, it's not so unreasonable for this to be only a > moderately high priority. > > > But then > > i was more impressed by the reaction of the freenet ppl. So i put > > my rant too. But don't get me wrong i work on oss too, i know that > > you just do what you feel like doing. And it's good so :) > > Well, I work on what is best for the project, because I get paid for it. > But obviously the volunteers do what they feel like. > > > > > As I have said on numerous occasions: RAM is cheap. Freedom or working > > > software is not cheap, it's bloody expensive. > > > > RAM is NOT CHEAP ! You perhaps live in a wealty contry and have big > > money. But this is a privilege, not more. RAM is fucking expansive > > by my standards (and yes i live in a wealty contry) and freedom can be > > an end only if it's freedom for all. Otherwise you just create a new > > caste of privilegied. Do we really need one more ?? > > RAM is subject to Moore's Law. Freedom, and software development, are > not. Having said that we do have a problem with memory usage with all > the reports of nodes crashing with OOMs even when given 250MB+. > > > > > 79MB is way under what > > > most nodes use. We may be able to get perm node usage down to 80MB at > > > some point, but it's not an immediate priority. > > > > I just took a quick look at this list and could find several ppl in > > the same position as i. We have good "old" server (mine is a celeron > > 400 with 128MB) witch can handle ANY of todays servers easily. So > > we would like to run a frennet node. But we just can't > > Upgrade it to 256MB. Your motherboard doesn't support 256MB? That sounds > unlikely if it can take a celeron 400. If you are so poor that you can't > afford the $50 upgrade, well frankly, can you afford the bandwidth? > > > > > Don't you think it would be nice to have a working network? > > > > Sure but again if it's a network of eltist who expect you to buy > > a new computer just to be able to run a permanent node i don't > > see the point. > > We can improve on the memory usage issue once it works. And MEMORY FOR A > GIVEN COST DOUBLES EVERY YEAR TO TWO YEARS. We have been working on > freenet since ~ 1997, and it certainly has not improved that quickly. > > > > Albeu > > > > -- > > > > Everything is controlled by a small evil group > > to which, unfortunately, no one we know belongs. > -- > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > ___ > Support mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: routing table
On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 07:19:28PM +0100, Alban Bedel wrote: > Hi Toad, > > on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:37:46 + you wrote: > > Before i start i must say i always like the idea of freenet. I tried > it a couple time long ago but i never had enouth disk space to devote. > I tried the current stable yesterday and i must say i was disapointed. Yes, there are major problems with the network that are being worked out, agonizingly slowly.. > First, like many here, by the insane amout of mem it sucked. It's unfortunate, however given the size of the network, it's performance level, and the consequent reasonable deduction that only geeks will use it, it's not so unreasonable for this to be only a moderately high priority. > But then > i was more impressed by the reaction of the freenet ppl. So i put > my rant too. But don't get me wrong i work on oss too, i know that > you just do what you feel like doing. And it's good so :) Well, I work on what is best for the project, because I get paid for it. But obviously the volunteers do what they feel like. > > > As I have said on numerous occasions: RAM is cheap. Freedom or working > > software is not cheap, it's bloody expensive. > > RAM is NOT CHEAP ! You perhaps live in a wealty contry and have big > money. But this is a privilege, not more. RAM is fucking expansive > by my standards (and yes i live in a wealty contry) and freedom can be > an end only if it's freedom for all. Otherwise you just create a new > caste of privilegied. Do we really need one more ?? RAM is subject to Moore's Law. Freedom, and software development, are not. Having said that we do have a problem with memory usage with all the reports of nodes crashing with OOMs even when given 250MB+. > > > 79MB is way under what > > most nodes use. We may be able to get perm node usage down to 80MB at > > some point, but it's not an immediate priority. > > I just took a quick look at this list and could find several ppl in > the same position as i. We have good "old" server (mine is a celeron > 400 with 128MB) witch can handle ANY of todays servers easily. So > we would like to run a frennet node. But we just can't Upgrade it to 256MB. Your motherboard doesn't support 256MB? That sounds unlikely if it can take a celeron 400. If you are so poor that you can't afford the $50 upgrade, well frankly, can you afford the bandwidth? > > > Don't you think it would be nice to have a working network? > > Sure but again if it's a network of eltist who expect you to buy > a new computer just to be able to run a permanent node i don't > see the point. We can improve on the memory usage issue once it works. And MEMORY FOR A GIVEN COST DOUBLES EVERY YEAR TO TWO YEARS. We have been working on freenet since ~ 1997, and it certainly has not improved that quickly. > > Albeu > > -- > > Everything is controlled by a small evil group > to which, unfortunately, no one we know belongs. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: routing table
Hi Toad, on Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:37:46 + you wrote: Before i start i must say i always like the idea of freenet. I tried it a couple time long ago but i never had enouth disk space to devote. I tried the current stable yesterday and i must say i was disapointed. First, like many here, by the insane amout of mem it sucked. But then i was more impressed by the reaction of the freenet ppl. So i put my rant too. But don't get me wrong i work on oss too, i know that you just do what you feel like doing. And it's good so :) > As I have said on numerous occasions: RAM is cheap. Freedom or working > software is not cheap, it's bloody expensive. RAM is NOT CHEAP ! You perhaps live in a wealty contry and have big money. But this is a privilege, not more. RAM is fucking expansive by my standards (and yes i live in a wealty contry) and freedom can be an end only if it's freedom for all. Otherwise you just create a new caste of privilegied. Do we really need one more ?? > 79MB is way under what > most nodes use. We may be able to get perm node usage down to 80MB at > some point, but it's not an immediate priority. I just took a quick look at this list and could find several ppl in the same position as i. We have good "old" server (mine is a celeron 400 with 128MB) witch can handle ANY of todays servers easily. So we would like to run a frennet node. But we just can't > Don't you think it would be nice to have a working network? Sure but again if it's a network of eltist who expect you to buy a new computer just to be able to run a permanent node i don't see the point. Albeu -- Everything is controlled by a small evil group to which, unfortunately, no one we know belongs. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
