Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation
You know, folks, I think it's time to admit that the Openmoko project was a failure, and move on. It was a great idea and a lot of us supported it with our money as well as our time, but the device as eventually sold was poorly designed and badly implemented. Even the people who bought it after several rounds of hardware bug-fixes got a clunky device with pathetic battery-life. Since the hardware is crap, it's not surprising that software developers didn't exactly flock to it. Trying to make it usable is flogging a dead horse. The nearest thing we will get to an open cellphone will probably be something made by Samsung, Motorola, or one of the other big consumer-device companies, running Android. I don't want to offend people, but I think it's time somebody came out and said this. If you want to put your time and effort into Free Software, then pick a platform that has a future. Your time and effort are valuable even if you don't get paid for them; don't waste them. Nick From: Rijul Jain cyberl...@gmail.com To: support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 5:43:27 AM Subject: Login screen on firmware upgradation Hey, i recently got a neo free runner and wanted to upgrade the firmware to openmoko 11 so i downloaded the image , wrote it on my uSD card and tried to boot it from the phone . It boots up file but after 2 mins , a Green Coloured Angstrom screen came and it is stuck at om-gta02 login :_ its been stuck there for hours and i dont know what to do Anyhelp would be appreciated . Thanks -- Rijul Jain ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation
Sorry if I offended you, Dr Schaller. However, I respectfully suggest that you look up the word rant in a dictionary before using it. I found your message offensive. Nick From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:17:11 AM Subject: Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation Hi Nick, it must be said that your rant does not help at all to answer the original support question. Hi Rijul, please check that your downloaded image is not corrupted. You can download and compare it with our copy which we have used successfully an uncounted number of times: http://download.goldelico.com/gta02/Moko11/ You must also flash the image on the flat memory card (e.g. /dev/sdb) and not into a partition (and not /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb2). To boot from NOR flash, press the AUX button and then power on. The boot menu should appear within a second. Choose boot from SD (ext). Hope this helps, Nikolaus Am 19.03.2011 um 07:53 schrieb halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com: You know, folks, I think it's time to admit that the Openmoko project was a failure, and move on. It was a great idea and a lot of us supported it with our money as well as our time, but the device as eventually sold was poorly designed and badly implemented. Even the people who bought it after several rounds of hardware bug-fixes got a clunky device with pathetic battery-life. Since the hardware is crap, it's not surprising that software developers didn't exactly flock to it. Trying to make it usable is flogging a dead horse. The nearest thing we will get to an open cellphone will probably be something made by Samsung, Motorola, or one of the other big consumer-device companies, running Android. I don't want to offend people, but I think it's time somebody came out and said this. If you want to put your time and effort into Free Software, then pick a platform that has a future. Your time and effort are valuable even if you don't get paid for them; don't waste them. Nick From: Rijul Jain cyberl...@gmail.com To: support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 5:43:27 AM Subject: Login screen on firmware upgradation Hey, i recently got a neo free runner and wanted to upgrade the firmware to openmoko 11 so i downloaded the image , wrote it on my uSD card and tried to boot it from the phone . It boots up file but after 2 mins , a Green Coloured Angstrom screen came and it is stuck at om-gta02 login :_ its been stuck there for hours and i dont know what to do Anyhelp would be appreciated . Thanks -- Rijul Jain ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Openmoko (was Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation)
No contempt for anyone was either expressed or implied. However, I do see that it was a mistake to reply to a post, instead of opening a new thread. - Original Message From: arne anka openm...@ginguppin.de To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 11:58:05 AM Subject: Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation well, there's probably a lot of people finding _your_ message both unneccessary and offensive! - you hijackd a thread completely unrelated to vent your individual frustration insdtead of respecting the request of the op - you tried to force your personal opinion about the state of om on everybody, completely ignoring that the people still active an the list very likely think otherwise - you claim to be the one who after a long time of joint self-deception finally speaks the truth -- which is both materially and factually nonsense. the discussion about om being a failure or not is recurrent and monitoring silently the list for month now after a rather lively interest before, i think i safely can say, that those people still active completely disagree with you (certainly the op, which you regarded with such contempt, does) if whath you posted is your honest opnion, you are free to move on and leave. if you think you have new points to make about om's state and future, you are free to open your own thread -- but, please, check the archives before ... Sorry if I offended you, Dr Schaller. However, I respectfully suggest that you look up the word rant in a dictionary before using it. I found your message offensive. Nick From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@computer.org To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 9:17:11 AM Subject: Re: Login screen on firmware upgradation Hi Nick, it must be said that your rant does not help at all to answer the original support question. Hi Rijul, please check that your downloaded image is not corrupted. You can download and compare it with our copy which we have used successfully an uncounted number of times: http://download.goldelico.com/gta02/Moko11/ You must also flash the image on the flat memory card (e.g. /dev/sdb) and not into a partition (and not /dev/sdb1 or /dev/sdb2). To boot from NOR flash, press the AUX button and then power on. The boot menu should appear within a second. Choose boot from SD (ext). Hope this helps, Nikolaus Am 19.03.2011 um 07:53 schrieb halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com: You know, folks, I think it's time to admit that the Openmoko project was a failure, and move on. It was a great idea and a lot of us supported it with our money as well as our time, but the device as eventually sold was poorly designed and badly implemented. Even the people who bought it after several rounds of hardware bug-fixes got a clunky device with pathetic battery-life. Since the hardware is crap, it's not surprising that software developers didn't exactly flock to it. Trying to make it usable is flogging a dead horse. The nearest thing we will get to an open cellphone will probably be something made by Samsung, Motorola, or one of the other big consumer-device companies, running Android. I don't want to offend people, but I think it's time somebody came out and said this. If you want to put your time and effort into Free Software, then pick a platform that has a future. Your time and effort are valuable even if you don't get paid for them; don't waste them. Nick From: Rijul Jain cyberl...@gmail.com To: support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 5:43:27 AM Subject: Login screen on firmware upgradation Hey, i recently got a neo free runner and wanted to upgrade the firmware to openmoko 11 so i downloaded the image , wrote it on my uSD card and tried to boot it from the phone . It boots up file but after 2 mins , a Green Coloured Angstrom screen came and it is stuck at om-gta02 login :_ its been stuck there for hours and i dont know what to do Anyhelp would be appreciated . Thanks -- Rijul Jain ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: need sugestions
From: Iurii y...@reverseenterprises.com To: support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 8:04:29 AM Subject: Re: need sugestions btw can somebody say me can i use windows terminal? to browse the os for example Hyper terminal ?or any which runs on windows maybe you can suggest smth ?i will be glad to try http://openssh.comstyle.com/windows.html or install cygwin. But why don't you just use an operating system that supports standards out of the box? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Neo FreeRunner
- Original Message From: Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk To: support@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 11:48:42 AM Subject: Re: Neo FreeRunner On Wednesday 04 November 2009, Iurii wrote: Michael Zanetti wrote: On Wednesday 04 November 2009 10:05:53 Iurii wrote: i have a simple question does Neo FreeRunner has support for 3G data cards? i was thinking to start developing with openmokko project but the most important thing to me is the GPRS i our contry we have only the 3G... but im really interested in openmoko... any suggestions and answers will be really apriciated The freerunner has GPRS, but not 3G. However there is the possibility to attach an external USB 3G dongle. You can find more information on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/UMTS tnx a lot very usefull suggestion i will keep going then with openmoko ideas Also consider the gizmoforyou FLOW which is generally more capable but more expensive, and almost as open. http://www.gizmoforyou.com/shop/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=3_50 The FLOW, as well as being much more expensive, seems to have hardly any users yet, judging from the activity on its forums. When people start using it, they will probably find problems, as did the early users of the Freerunner. Remember that the Neo GTA02 is currently in version 6 or 7 of the hardware. It's now usable as a cellphone (just barely, but usable). The FLOW is in version 1. I don't doubt that it is possible to initiate and receive phone calls on it, but from that to being really usable as a cellphone is a long way. Unless you're primarily a hardware hacker, I'd suggest not buying a FLOW until you see more reports from real users. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: MP3 'capable' [was: Meida player.]
--- On Thu, Sep 10, rakshat hooja raks...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Yes I did follow the Openmoko Mp3 patent issues a long while back. I just wanted to ask you if things are ok re MP3 patents in the following scenario Given that you're interested in Free software, why have anything to do with mp3? If you're ripping a CD, use Ogg. If what you want exists on the web as mp3 only, ask the person who provided it to make it available in ogg format. There are a lot of people out there who don't know that any alternative to mp3 exists - and they will never know unless somebody tells them. Why not you? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: help for newbie, and some python
--- On Wed, 6/3/09, Ovidiu Gavril ovidiu_gav...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, I forgot to say that I'm using om2008.12 release. I have the impression that most active development recently has gone into the om2009 release: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009#Installing I think the om2008.12 release is a bit of a dead end. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Call quality - Paroli, SHR, QT Extended
--- On Fri, 5/22/09, Paul pault...@gmail.com wrote: Difficulty I had with paroli * Call to other people were filled will static and echo. Cycling through volume did not help. This is a deal breaker for me. Cycling through volume did not help: I'd put it more strongly than that. This feature of being able to cycle through 3 volume levels is something that nobody wants, should never have been implemented, and should be removed as soon as possible. How you would describe the 3 volume levels depends on the acuity of your hearing, but for me, they are inaudible, barely audible, and audible in a quiet environment. To pick the only one that is close to usable, I have to futz with the AUX button on every single call. My hearing ability is slightly below the median, but I never have difficulty with a normal telephone and can use a normal cellphone for simple calls in fairly noisy environments (Zurich main train station). Changing the default from inaudible to audible would be a temporary workaround but I think the real solution is to get rid of this feature. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing Release 2
-- On Thu, 5/7/09, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: On Thu, 2009-05-07 at 01:47 -0700, halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com wrote: Did that, then in the settings menu, chose 'phone', and set the 'message-volume' to 100 which seems to be the max. I assume this is the setting for the loudness of incoming calls. But, incoming calls are still so quiet as to be just barely audible in a quiet environment. message-volume is the loudness of the sms alert tone. Aha! So I was setting the wrong parameter. In the current version there are some situations were the modem volume gets reset during call setup and might need adjusting ( fixing ) during the call. Use the AUX button to try and adjust it during the call. This should be fixed in the next release. The effect of pressing the AUX button after a call started was indeed to change the volume somewhat, but it had the unfortunate side effect that the device became unresponsive to all commands including End Call. Fortunately, I was only calling the 0800 number that tells me how much credit I have left on my prepaid sim card ... so no charge ... but this isn't a workaround. Any prediction on when the next release might be? Nick ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Om2009 testing Release 2
--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: Hi, After flurry of activity in enlightenment, paroli and oepnmebedded we have a new testing release. There were some problems with the gta01 images so tarballs only are released at this point. Please read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om_2009 for more details. Could you clarify a bit ... I assumed you meant there are no gta01 images, but that the gta02 image dated 1 May at: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/NeoFreerunner/fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2 is the new release. It does have a different size from the old .jffs2. So I flashed it, then booted. A screen appears during the boot process saying Enlightenment which I don't remember from before (that doesn't mean it wasn't there) but when booting finally completes, I see exactly the same iconless screen as before, showing the wrong time, and 4 menu options - I/O, Msgs, Tele, People. Is this as expected? Incidentally, the wrong time is not just a timezone thing, it says 14:30 on 1st May and the actual time here (Zurich) is 12:47 on 2nd May. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [Om2009] What needs to be installed to make it usable?
--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: [snip] With the current testing image that is what is expected. If you want to wait a couple of days I'm trying to get another testing image out that addresses some of your concerns. Great! I can certainly wait a few days. Thanks! ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
[Om2009] What needs to be installed to make it usable?
Since the Openmoko with Om2008.12 isn't really usable as a mobile phone, I thought the most useful thing for me to do was to load Om2009 as described at: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 and then test it and report bugs. On that page it tells you which kernel, filesystem and bootloader to flash with dfu-util. I did that. Now, when I boot up, I don't get any icons. The default screen just shows the time, and 4 menu options: I/O Msgs Tele People No settings; how do I set things like the time before it goes into sleep mode, essential to ssh into the Openmoko? The other disappointment is that it is still not usable as a mobile phone. It can make and receive calls, but the call volume at the Openmoko is so low it is barely audible, just the same as with Om2008.12. And sometimes (not on all calls) there is a lot of noise at the other end of the line (i.e. at the normal telephone). (Actually I suppose it's possible that there's noise at the OM end, but the volume is so low anyway that I don't notice it.) I'm probably coming across as a clueless newbie, but I really am trying to help with testing and if you give me some pointers as to what to load to get further, I'll also update the wiki again to help other clueless newbies. I did look through the message archive, but didn't find anything useful specifically geared to the Om2009 distro. I know how to use ssh to get into the om (have already done it) and know how to set up iptables on my linux host to get from the om to the net, if that's needed. Advice please? ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: The myth of missed phone calls (was: OM2008.12 - basic usage instructions?)
Paul pault...@gmail.com wrote: The distro I've used that missed phone calls the most was FSO, zhone was pretty unstable. But I have missed calls on SHR and OM2008.12. OM2008.12 has terrible echo and is unusable last I tried. It's true that Om2008.12 is unusable (for mobile phone use). But is this relevant any longer? And which version of FSO did you use? Testing versions of Om2009 (based on FSO milestone 5.5) are available: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Om2009 Nick ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: OM2008.12 - basic usage instructions?
On Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:44:13 PM Angus Ainslie nyt...@openmoko.org wrote: On Thu, 2009-04-09 at 13:34 -0700, halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com wrote: I think sections 4 and 5 of the Getting started document (i.e. most of the document) need to be rewritten, unless there's already an updated version on some page I don't know about. Yes, I know this is community-supported stuff and actually I'd be happy to make a start on that -- but first of all I need to know how to find my way around the thing! Looking forward to seeing you updates to the wiki. I added some text and a section 6: - For Om 2008.12 - to the Getting_Started_... wiki. Nothing elaborate, just the things that would have helped me get started. The pictures are photos, not screen captures, so look pretty crude. But I think they do the job, and Om2008.12 will be obsolete in a couple of months anyway. Nick ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
OM2008.12 - basic usage instructions?
The first thing I did wth my Freerunner after getting it charged, finding how to enter the PIN for the SIM, etc was to flash the 2008.12 uImage and rootfs from: http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/releases/Om2008.12/ So I'm running a more stable system than the one that was preloaded, but the downside is that none of the instructions on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo_FreeRunner seem applicable. Quoting from that page: 'Openmoko starts by displaying the Today page, which is your home page. Icons in the top row indicate the status of the phone. The bottom row consists of three tabs. The tab with a house on the left leads to the Today page you're viewing now' A photo of the screen is attached. It's nothing like that. It shows the time and battery status, and icons for 6 apps. That's it. How, for example, do I get to a shell prompt? Presumably I can ssh into the device over a USB connection. But ssh requires a user name and a password. What are they? I don't see how to find out what user names are defined, or how to reset passwords, except by getting to a shell prompt. I think sections 4 and 5 of the Getting started document (i.e. most of the document) need to be rewritten, unless there's already an updated version on some page I don't know about. Yes, I know this is community-supported stuff and actually I'd be happy to make a start on that -- but first of all I need to know how to find my way around the thing! Searching through the archived mailing lists, i see that some people think that other distros - SHR or FSO - are better than om2008.12. Is there a consensus on this, or is it just a matter of personal taste? Nick ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: OM2008.12 - basic usage instructions?
Sean Chadwell smchadw...@gmail.com wrote: I found Tom Yates' pages really helpful. Start with More fun with our Openmoko (it's about 2008.9), but most of it will apply to 2008.12, as well, which he covers here (albeit in less detail). Thanks, they look really useful! Don't waste all your time there, we're expecting the new 2009 version of the Openmoko distribution to arrive (well, there was a promise to have something last month already) at some stage. I don't think that waiting for the next release is a good idea. I was at Sean Moss-Pulz' talk in Bern on April 2. In the QA, somebody said that his Freerunner missed incoming calls. Sean M-P replied that this would be fixed really soon. I asked, When? and Sean said, June. The thought of new users struggling with the old docs, which are mostly no longer relevant, for the next 2 months is awful, don't you think? But maybe adding a pointer to Tom Yates' pages will do for now. Nick ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Entering the PIN for a SIM card
Yes, and nothing happened. Then I tried to double-tap on the assembled digits, and that worked... --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: From: Johny Tenfinger seba.d...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Entering the PIN for a SIM card To: halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com, Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 2:29 PM Did you try to click on assembled digits? ; 2009/4/8, halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com halbtaxabo...@yahoo.com: I loaded the SD chip and the SIM card into my Openmoko as described on the Getting Started with your Neo FreeRunner page. I inserted the battery, closed the case and plugged it into the charger. It booted to the GUI (a few icons), then the screen went black after a couple of minutes. I pressed the power button, and can see text on the screen: Please enter the needed PIN. SIM Pin:___ I'm using a prepaid SIM card from Co-op Switzerland. I have the PIN. But how do I enter it? In the lower half of the screen are lower-case letters. By experimenting, I find I can get upper-case letters, or digits or special characters, by stroking the screen with the stylus. I can touch numbers with the stylus and thus compose a 4-digit number - in the lower half of the screen. But how do I enter it into the dialog box for the PIN? which is in the upper half or the screen? A photo showing the screen is attached. There is no obvious way to get the assembled 4 digits into the required box. ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: [FSO] FSO unfunded?
My understanding of the news was that just one thing has changed: development of the GTA03 (successor to the Freerunner) has been dropped. One reason was to be able to focus more on the current, GTA02, platform (and on the mysterious Project B). --- On Wed, 4/8/09, Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sargun Dhillon xbmodder+openm...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [FSO] FSO unfunded? To: Support for Openmoko Device Owners support@lists.openmoko.org Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:13 PM So, quick thing, is the only thing that OM does when it comes to the FR community: -Pay Deiter (Mr. GSM) -Sell Freerunners On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Fernando Martins ferna...@cmartins.nl wrote: Craig Woodward wrote: What does this mean? That FIC/OM don't have anyone working on it anymore? Is there a new flavor of the year (to be released just after FR3 maybe)? Does FIC/OM have anyone working on software for the FR any more? And when/where was this announced? some relevant threads: - Sean's speech at ESC about making a 3G device http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-April/044880.html - The future of the Neo Freerunner http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-April/044997.html - Slashdotted http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-April/045048.html - FSO status? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2009-April/045279.html Regards, Fernando ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support ___ support mailing list support@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/support
