Re: SeaMonkey 2.40 on Mac OS 10.6 browser windows have no menu bar, uncontrollable

[Felix Miata]

Bob Fleischer composed on 2016-03-15 23:36 (UTC-0400):


My wife uses SeaMonkey on a MacBook (running 10.6).



Somehow, it got into a state where browser windows fill the whole screen and
have no menu bar, and thus are essentially uncontrollable (except for
keyboard shortcuts). I don't even see how to change the browser window
settings that are accessed via the menu.



So how do I recover?


Try F11?
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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

[»Q«]

In ,
"David E. Ross"  wrote:

> On 3/15/2016 2:40 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> > Amanda Sheppard wrote:
> >   
> >> When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my
> >> Seamonkey 2.40 identify itself as?
> >>
> >> As Mozilla? As Firefox? As Seamonkey?
> >>
> >> Thanks for your answers.  
> > 
> > In SeaMonkey, do Help | About SeaMonkey and you'll see.  
> 
> No, that will only show you the version number.

WFM.

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SeaMonkey 2.40 on Mac OS 10.6 browser windows have no menu bar, uncontrollable

[Bob Fleischer]

My wife uses SeaMonkey on a MacBook (running 10.6).

Somehow, it got into a state where browser windows fill the whole screen and 
have no menu bar, and thus are essentially uncontrollable (except for 
keyboard shortcuts). I don't even see how to change the browser window 
settings that are accessed via the menu.


So how do I recover?

(Yes, I assume I could go to the trouble and create a new profile.  I 
created a test profile, and it works OK.)


Bob
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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

[Paul B. Gallagher]

David E. Ross wrote:


On 3/15/2016 2:40 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Amanda Sheppard wrote:


When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my
Seamonkey 2.40 identify itself as?

As Mozilla? As Firefox? As Seamonkey?

Thanks for your answers.


In SeaMonkey, do Help | About SeaMonkey and you'll see.


No, that will only show you the version number.  The user agent string
is viewed by selecting [Help > Troubleshooting Information] from the
menu bar. Under "Application Basics", the 6th line begins "User Agent".
The value after that is how your browser identifies itself.


You're mistaken -- at least for v.2.39/Windows. Yes, Troubleshooting 
Information does list the user agent, but no, About SeaMonkey does, too.


When I do Help | About SeaMonkey, I get:

version 2.39

You are currently on the release update channel.
See a list of contributors to the Mozilla Project.
Read the licensing information for this product.
Read the release notes for this version.
See the build configuration used for this version.
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39

Build identifier: 20151103191810

What's that seventh line there if not a user agent string?

For comparison, here's the user agent string copy/pasted from the 
message to which you replied:


User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39


See any difference?

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Re: Separated User ID and Password

[David E. Ross]

On 3/15/2016 10:54 AM, Larry S. wrote:
> Once upon a time there was discussion here about Password Manager having 
> trouble when the log-in process asked for User ID, and then in a 
> separate screen asked for the password. I ignored it at the time since I 
> didn't have that problem; now I do.
> 
> Any advice? Anyone remember the answer (if there was one)?
> 
> Larry S.
> 

See bug #368265 at .

The problem seems to have gone away, at least for cases where the user
has only one account at the Web site.  If there is more than one
account, it becomes necessary for the same password to be used for all
the accounts.  That is because Password Manager does not have access to
the user ID on the prior Web page and thus cannot tell which password is
appropriate.

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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

[Felix Miata]

David E. Ross composed on 2016-03-15 19:14 (UTC-0700):

> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

>> In SeaMonkey, do Help | About SeaMonkey and you'll see.

> No, that will only show you the version number.

Copied and pasted from about: tab:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.40
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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

[David E. Ross]

On 3/15/2016 2:40 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> Amanda Sheppard wrote:
> 
>> When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my
>> Seamonkey 2.40 identify itself as?
>>
>> As Mozilla? As Firefox? As Seamonkey?
>>
>> Thanks for your answers.
> 
> In SeaMonkey, do Help | About SeaMonkey and you'll see.
> 

No, that will only show you the version number.  The user agent string
is viewed by selecting [Help > Troubleshooting Information] from the
menu bar.  Under "Application Basics", the 6th line begins "User Agent".
 The value after that is how your browser identifies itself.

I went to [Edit > Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking] and
unchecked the checkbox for "Advertise Firefox compatibility".  That
makes my user agent string:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
SeaMonkey/2.40

If the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" checkbox is checked, I would get:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/43.0 SeaMonkey/2.40
which I find is rarely necessary.

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Separated User ID and Password

[Larry S.]

Once upon a time there was discussion here about Password Manager having 
trouble when the log-in process asked for User ID, and then in a 
separate screen asked for the password. I ignored it at the time since I 
didn't have that problem; now I do.


Any advice? Anyone remember the answer (if there was one)?

Larry S.
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Re: Unable to run seamonkey on Debian 8.3

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In ,
WaltS48  wrote:

> On 03/15/2016 01:26 AM, Amanda Sheppard wrote:
> >> OK, so this seems to be the unhelpful message one gets when
> >> trying to run a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit system where the
> >> 32-bit support libraries are NOT installed.  
> > Totall agree. Moreover on the official downloads page (URL:
> > https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.40=linux=en-US)
> > on which there's a green box with the words "Download Now", there's
> > no mention as to whether the download, Linux GTK2 English (38MB),
> > is for x86 or x86_64 arch.
> >
> > The webmaster should specify clearly that the download link in the
> > green box is for 32-bit arch. 
> 
> Anyone using SeaMonkey for any length of time knows that the official 
> builds for Windows, Mac and Linux are 32-bit.

True, but IMO Amanda's right that the website should be clear,
especially in the case of Linux.  The vast majority of Linux machines
are 64-bit (but I don't know whether most of those are multilib or
not).  The release notes and system requirements don't say anything
about the download being 32-bit, either.  If a new user only comes along
once in a blue moon, that's all the more reason to want to give her a
not-so-frustrating experience.  

> If you want an unofficial 64-bit Linux build you have to go here.
> 
> 

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:

Thanks. Paul.

I have version 2.39. Not sure what the user agent thing is that
Daniel shows below.


Each outgoing mail message, unless the sender goes through a webmail, 
has a field in its header that specifies the "user agent" (mail program 
used to compose it). If you select your message and do CTRL-U (Windows) 
or CMD-U (Mac), you should see a line like this about 20 lines from the top:


User-Agent: G2/1.0

If you select my message and do the same, you should see:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39


This is more helpful because I'm actually using SeaMonkey to post here, 
while you're not. Even if I don't explicitly state my version and 
platform in a query, troubleshooters can look it up this way.



I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be
one of the developers? Are there any other MAC users?


Sure, let's keep reading and one of them is bound to speak up.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:


Thanks. Paul.


I have version 2.39.  Not sure what the user agent thing is that Daniel shows 
below.  

I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be one of 
the developers?  Are there any other MAC users?

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Re: Unable to run seamonkey on Debian 8.3

[WaltS48]

On 03/15/2016 01:26 AM, Amanda Sheppard wrote:

OK, so this seems to be the unhelpful message one gets when
trying to run a 32-bit binary on a 64-bit system where the
32-bit support libraries are NOT installed.

Totall agree. Moreover on the official downloads page (URL: 
https://download.mozilla.org/?product=seamonkey-2.40=linux=en-US) on which 
there's a green box with the words "Download Now", there's no mention as to whether the 
download, Linux GTK2 English (38MB), is for x86 or x86_64 arch.

The webmaster should specify clearly that the download link in the green box is 
for 32-bit arch.



Anyone using SeaMonkey for any length of time knows that the official 
builds for Windows, Mac and Linux are 32-bit.


If you want an unofficial 64-bit Linux build you have to go here.



AFAIK there are none for Windows and Mac.

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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Amanda Sheppard wrote:


When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my
Seamonkey 2.40 identify itself as?

As Mozilla? As Firefox? As Seamonkey?

Thanks for your answers.


In SeaMonkey, do Help | About SeaMonkey and you'll see.

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Re: User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

[Daniel]

On 15/03/2016 7:43 PM, Amanda Sheppard wrote:

When I surf websites, what will they see or rather what will my Seamonkey 2.40
identify itself as?

As Mozilla? As Firefox? As Seamonkey?

Thanks for your answers.



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Amanda, if you had posted with SeaMonkey, I could have shown you exactly 
what your SM User Agent was telling the Web, but you didn't


I would have thought it might show up in about:config , if you filtered 
on UserAgent, but that didn't work either.


Also, your "sig file" (all the stuff that your email client has added) 
should have been automatically removed in my reply (which, obviously it 
wasn't) if you/your main client had used a proper sig file delimiter 
which is two dashes followed by a space (i.e. -- ) and nothing else on 
that line. All your dashes are mucking it up. (I'm guessing your free 
email service is trying to get some FREE advertising.)


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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Daniel]

On 15/03/2016 3:20 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).




Hmm, yes, we do have some differences in our dialogs.

To repeat my previous question: What version of SM do you have? I'm
using the latest stable release, v. 2.39.


His User Agent is showing as "G2/1.0"

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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User agent of Seamonkey 2.40

[Amanda Sheppard]

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Re: Updates...

[GerardJan]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 3/14/2016 11:54 PM, Edmund Wong's fingers rattled off:

Hi,

I guess I did screw something up.  :( (No surprise
there.)

The updates are available for OSX64 and it seems it's
only the complete one.  The partials are also missing and
the Linux and Win32 updates went elsewhere
or didn't appear where they were supposed to.

I'm going back and checking it out; though I do
have a minor sneak feeling I know what I screwed
up with.

I do apologize for this delay.  It should be 'soon'.

Edmund



Edmund, no apologies needed.  From a fellow Edmund, we appreciate your efforts!




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.40 released

[Daniel]

On 15/03/2016 9:44 AM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Greetings,

After so long a delay, for which we apologize, the SeaMonkey
Project is pleased to announce the release of SeaMonkey 2.40!

So please check out [1] or [2].

Please note that the website information, while updated for
2.40, still requires a bit more work.

We cannot repeat this enough.  Thank you everyone for your
patience with us.  This very long delay due to infrastructure
and resource issues has been very trying on a lot of people.

It has been a very tough release.  I think it's the
toughest one I've done.  However, this isn't to say that
I did this alone.  Kudos go to a lot of people, particularly
the guys/gals in Mozilla's IT and RelEng dept.

I particularly want to thank Nick Thomas for his sheer
brilliant idea that helped me unhork the partial mar upload
script as well as pointing out the necessary changes
to migrate off FTP to S3.

Thanks to Jens Hatlak for taking the time to do the Website
patch. (Really, sorry for the delay.)

Also, thanks to Justin Wood for giving me this opportunity
to work out the problems myself.  If you all take a look
at bug 1233615,  I think I rivaled the mess I did with
the GTK bug (conveniently forgotten the # :P ).  The
repo changes I made...  oh boy.  Only time will heal
the mess^H^H^H^H wounds. ;P

Anyway, most of all, thanks to all the users out there
for hanging on to this project.  The words of encouragement
(especially during the broken-hand period) definitely gave
me a boost of energy.

Oh.  Before I forget and in the light of being transparent,
there is a chance I might have goofed something up, especially
during the 2.39 Win32 builds as well as the 2.40 builds and
also the partial mar and complete mar updates.  I hope I
didn't screw things up too much, if at all (here's hoping).
Please do post here on your findings.


Anyway, thanks again.


Links:
[1] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.40
[2] - http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.40/



What is the equivalent Firefox release, out of curiosity?



Jamie, to work out the FF equivalent, add the bits and add one more

i.e. SM 2.40 becomes 2 + 40 + 1 = FF 43!!

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Updates...

[Ed Mullen]

On 3/14/2016 11:54 PM, Edmund Wong's fingers rattled off:

Hi,

I guess I did screw something up.  :( (No surprise
there.)

The updates are available for OSX64 and it seems it's
only the complete one.  The partials are also missing and
the Linux and Win32 updates went elsewhere
or didn't appear where they were supposed to.

I'm going back and checking it out; though I do
have a minor sneak feeling I know what I screwed
up with.

I do apologize for this delay.  It should be 'soon'.

Edmund



Edmund, no apologies needed.  From a fellow Edmund, we appreciate your 
efforts!


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