Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

2009-12-18 Thread Benoit Renard
Leonidas Jones wrote: I'm not seeing any way to get SeaMonkey to zoom just images. From here it appears to either images and text or nothing. I'm pretty sure you can still zoom only text. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.moz

Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

2009-12-18 Thread Benoit Renard
Paul Hartman wrote: some AJAX-heavy sites that don't work entirely properly in Seamonkey for whatever reason (Facebook, Google Sites, etc). In FaceBook's case, that's known to be caused by browser sniffing. Complain to FaceBook to get them to stop this nonsense. __

Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

2009-12-19 Thread Benoit Renard
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: I do like the way we had a forms manager as in SM 1.1.x and sad that it removed because they didn't have the time, energy, know-how or desire to do a port of it in the new code. This is correct. (Despite all the protesta

Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

2009-12-20 Thread Benoit Renard
Phillip Jones wrote: Never mind you still can't see a users point of view. The user's point of view is irrelevant in this case, and not what we were talking about. It was a development issue, plain and simple. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list supp

Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

2009-12-21 Thread Benoit Renard
Leonidas Jones wrote: Phil, in large measure, kept SM 1.1.x usable by his incredible work on xSidebar and porting Firefox and Thunderbird extensions to work in SeaMonkey. Without that, 1.1.x was really not a usable piece of work, at least without Multizilla, which basically converted it to ano

Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?till not an answer

2009-12-22 Thread Benoit Renard
MCBastos wrote: Again, it's a matter of manpower. SM *was* going somewhat independently from Firefox for the last few years, on the 1.1 branch -- and what was the result? The rendering engine was looking more and more dated every day, ditto for the Javascript engine and other core stuff. That h

Re: Who are Seamonkey's core user base?

2009-12-22 Thread Benoit Renard
NFN Smith wrote: Daniel wrote: it's easier just to say "Firefox" as the majority option, rather than "an XUL browser". A web browser doesn't need to use XUL to use the Gecko rendering engine. Look at K-Meleon for a good example. I think Camino doesn't use XUL either. _

Re: Post at mozillazine

2010-01-01 Thread Benoit Renard
Jay Garcia wrote: On 31.12.2009 22:11, compositor wrote: Hi, I made this post at MozillaZine community, but was wondering if someone could answer it here instead. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=1675775&p=8356645#p8356645 Hope Someone can help! Please post your questi

Re: XUL MSNmessenger

2010-01-04 Thread Benoit Renard
compositor wrote: I got this plug in called xul msn messenger and I installed it in Seamonkey, but it won't keep me logged in. That's weird. It's only supposed to log you out if you were disconnected. But it can also happen in the case of an error in the main code. Is there any relevant error

Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-12 Thread Benoit Renard
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Devils_Advocate wrote: I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again. I note that you didn't give an example URL. There are a lot of bozos who are putting up "Web pages"

Re: Is SM a dying product?

2010-01-13 Thread Benoit Renard
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: JeffM wrote: Devils_Advocate wrote: I keep getting blank pages at various sites when using Seamonkey, then I have to open Internet Explorer or Firefox and try it again. I note that you didn't give an example URL.

Re: Profile Manager

2010-01-15 Thread Benoit Renard
Hartmut Figge wrote: David E. Ross: I was used to setting alias rm='rm -i' but I was working at a location other than my usual. I entered rm * Quickly realizing what I had done, I then entered CTRL-C But it was too late. I didn't lose all my files, but I lost too many.

Re: Profile Manager

2010-01-17 Thread Benoit Renard
Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is wrong. Windows always asks if you are sure when

Re: Profile Manager

2010-01-18 Thread Benoit Renard
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Windows as of 98 (last I saw close up) works click delete with application and it moves to Wastebasket. Then click on wastebasket and choose from menu item empty. There is no question. once you choose empty its gone. This is

Re: How to use SeaMonkey to do ftp uploads?

2010-01-19 Thread Benoit Renard
robert.ga...@att.net wrote: Is there any way to use SeaMonkey for ftp uploads to sites? I always did it through File > Upload File... instead of drag&drop. Is it possible to still do it that way in SeaMonkey 2.0.x? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-01-30 Thread Benoit Renard
Russell wrote: The end comes with v2.x, Seamonkey and the decision to no longer be a simple browser, but that it must be an ‘all or nothing' suite. So if you need to use another email client then it will just screw up your whole way of working. I'm convinced that this was a ‘behind the doors'

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-01-31 Thread Benoit Renard
Rufus wrote: ...OTOH, finding a product provider which will actually provide service and/or options to it's user base when they ask is far more important. I've learned to stop asking. It's about useless... Some developers do want to listen to users, but they're either 1) busy on other things

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-01-31 Thread Benoit Renard
Ray_Net wrote: I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they can use their preferred ones. The problem with 2.0.x is that you can't opt out of an e-mail client, and this meant that mailto: links will op

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-01-31 Thread Benoit Renard
NoOp wrote: On 01/29/2010 03:36 PM, Russell wrote: As someone who's been on the web since the beginning with Mosaic , then Netscape, then AOL Netscape (ugh) , then Netscape re-born as Seamonkey, it's a sad day to have to give up and move on, The end comes with v2.x, Seamonkey and the decision

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-01 Thread Benoit Renard
Rufus wrote: Mark Hansen wrote: On 1/31/2010 12:35 PM, Rufus wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Ray_Net wrote: I don't understand why people complains about installing SM as a browser-only. If they don't want the mail or the news parts in SM, they can use their preferred ones. The proble

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-02 Thread Benoit Renard
JD wrote: Not to jump in at the hopefully end of this thread, but SeaMonkey is a "Suite" of programs. If you just want a browser and a separate e-mail program then maybe you should try some other programs that better suit your needs? SeaMonkey has always been a /modular/ suite. It could be a

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Benoit Renard
Andrea Govoni wrote: On 01/02/10 09:06, John Doue wrote: So forgive me for asking the obvious, but would not it be possible to have the install routine display a notice of "our" existence? Better yet, to have it included somehow in the Help menu? Actually, each time you install or update SeaMo

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Benoit Renard
Andrea Govoni wrote: Philip Jones is talking about SeaMonkey performance when opening external links (like links from the mailnews SeaMonkey component) in the *same window* as opposed to opening them in *new windows*. Lee tested opening external links in *new windows* as opposed to opening them i

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Benoit Renard
Chris Ilias wrote: Personally, I've never used the Forms Manager...but the only reason I haven't that I can determine now that I'm reading so much displeasure about it's removal is that I couldn't determine if information it stores is encrypted or not. If it was and a dialog box had told me that,

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-14 Thread Benoit Renard
Andrea Govoni wrote: Ray_Net, I promise this is my last message in this thread. Il 12/02/10 14:58, Daniel ha scritto: Andrea, Phillip's message, in which he claims New Windows are ten times faster than New Tabs is 16th in this chain. So, you are referring to this [1] message. Well, by readin

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-15 Thread Benoit Renard
Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail& Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to happen in "chrome://me

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-18 Thread Benoit Renard
Andrea Govoni wrote: I hate to betray my own words but I cannot resist the temptation… '-_- On 14/02/10 18:03, Benoit Renard wrote: That's not the message I was referring to, though the message I am referring to is quoted in it. I'm referring to this passage: "I have tab

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-24 Thread Benoit Renard
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-23 2:42 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-22 12:34 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: And the developers here have told me to shut up or write my own code, and that's not an option. I'm not a programmer, so I can't solve the problem. * That's not

Re: new form manager is great

2010-02-25 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: The progress window flamer community didn't seem to want help, after all. They did, just not from you. Don't spin around what actually happened. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.

Re: Progress Window Mockups

2010-02-26 Thread Benoit Renard
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Ok Here is the deal: A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like them as they stand. These people wish to have changes made. KaiRo, the original owner of this area has abandoned it due to "stop energy" when he tried to make improvements.

Re: Progress Window Mockups

2010-02-27 Thread Benoit Renard
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Ok Here is the deal: A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like them as they stand. These people wish to have changes made. KaiRo, the original owner of this area has abandoned it due to

Re: Progress Window Mockups

2010-02-28 Thread Benoit Renard
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Ok Here is the deal: A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like them as they stand. These people wish to have changes made. KaiRo, the original

Re: Progress Window Mockups

2010-03-01 Thread Benoit Renard
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Ok Here is the deal: A vocal minority of people who USE the progress windows don't like them as they stand. These people wish to

Re: Progress Window Mockups

2010-03-10 Thread Benoit Renard
Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: To summarize the two options: * Use one that KaiRo already submitted, which is/was partially implemented and a few vocally opposed. * DO NOT CHANGE A THING ABOUT HOW IT WAS IN SM 1.1 Choice 2 is woefully not going to happen, sorry. especially as there was no explan

Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped

2010-03-17 Thread Benoit Renard
I find the subject to be inappropriate, considering that it's about the last release of a branch instead of solely the decision to stop support. A better subject would have been: "SeaMonkey 1.1.19 released, end of line for 1.x". ___ support-seamonkey

Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped

2010-03-20 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: I find the subject to be inappropriate, considering that it's about the last release of a branch instead of solely the decision to stop support. A better subject would have been: "SeaMonkey 1.1.19 released, end of line for 1.x". No

Re: Support For SeaMonkey 1.x Dropped

2010-03-21 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: Benoit Renard schrieb: As another user demonstrated, the subject line makes one think that support has been dropped, and that's it. And that's exactly what the announcement intended to do. Success on all targets. Except that your announcement contradicts thi

Re: At the risk, happily, of sounding off the subject

2008-12-17 Thread Benoit Renard
John Boyle wrote: To ALL: MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A BLESSED NEW YEAR!!! You're a week too early. :( ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: Seamonkey 1.1.14 Javascript Not Working

2009-01-02 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Adblock. But I always install that and it never gave me problems. Do you think Adblock is the problem? it could. Uninstall it and see what happens. Or you could just disable Adblock temporarily. To do that, you need the extension manager and the exte

Re: not great press: Tech's all-time top 25 flops

2009-01-02 Thread Benoit Renard
Philip wrote: "Tech's all-time top 25 flops #14 Netscape 6 ... Well, Netscape 6 WAS a flop. It was based on Mozilla 0.9, if I remember correctly, which just wasn't suitable for public release. But the real problem is that Yahoo! Tech assumes the product didn't stop being bad, which is quit

Re: Seamonkey 1.1.14 Javascript Not Working

2009-01-03 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: its better than nothin' You should know better, Peter. I know you visit MozillaZine, specifically its SeaMonkey extension porting thread, which is one of the threads where this has been discussed. ___ support-s

Re: Seamonkey 1.1.14 Javascript Not Working

2009-01-03 Thread Benoit Renard
John Doue wrote: Well, this is the only way I know to easily remove extensions for SM1. It looks like Mnenhy's Chrome Manager hasn't been mentioned much, if at all, here, then. As anything, it may not be perfect and occasionally fail to uninstall an extension, which will then will have to b

Re: not great press: Tech's all-time top 25 flops

2009-01-03 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: Actually, it was Mozilla 0.6, incidentally, and the first version ever that used a real version number instead of a milestone number. I see. Wikipedia also says this, though the summary table says "Mozilla Milestone 18". Going to edit this. It was the releases after 6.01

Re: ActiveX

2009-01-06 Thread Benoit Renard
NO wrote: Suggestions or recommendations? Complain to Netflix. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: Want to try Sea Monkey

2009-01-09 Thread Benoit Renard
Alex Beauroy wrote: Another question : Can "Lightning Calendar" work with "SeaMonkey"??? Unfortunately, no. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: "SeaMonkey and "Lightning"????

2009-01-09 Thread Benoit Renard
Please don't post your question more than once. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: MoveTo Really Only Copies?

2009-01-12 Thread Benoit Renard
MalcolmO wrote: I understand that FireFox has a better bookmark manager. It has the best one possible! Just drag and drop everything from/to everywhere, from the document windows, bookmark toolbar, and menus! There couldn't be anything better. There is more to bookmark management than drag&

Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

2009-01-13 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: You might want to change Firefox/2.0 to Firefox/3.0 Let's not create side-effects by being a bad citizen and claiming to be using a more capable web browser than we are. SeaMonkey 1.1.x is equivalent to Firefox 2.0.x, so let's use that. _

Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

2009-01-13 Thread Benoit Renard
flyguy wrote: I had previously set my general.useragent.extra.seamonkey string to Firefox/2.0 Create general.useragent.extra.firefox and set it to Firefox/2.0 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mo

Re: S.M. 1.1.4 Not Advanced Enough For Maps On Some Web Sites?

2009-01-16 Thread Benoit Renard
keith_w wrote: You mean... my SeaMonkey 1.1.13 is not as "up to date" as my Firefox 3.0.4? In terms of security updates, it probably is. But NOT in terms of capabilities when it comes to JavaScript and web standards. SeaMonkey 1.1.x is based on the Gecko 1.8.1 backend, while Firefox 3.0.x is

Re: SM 1.x and also SM uses too much...

2009-01-19 Thread Benoit Renard
Patches welcome. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: hotmail and SM mail

2009-01-19 Thread Benoit Renard
What a load of crock. Every country surrounding Belgium has it, except Belgium itself! I /still/ can't access the mandatory Hotmail e-mail address I got from school through POP3, though this time the error message changed from "inbox not available" to "user does not have POP3 access".

Re: SM uses too much CPU time

2009-01-19 Thread Benoit Renard
Ray K wrote: Another problem that may be related. Sometimes, TM shows 100% CPU usage while I'm attempting to download a page. TM also shows SM as Not Responding. If I wait 15-45 seconds, SM usually resumes running and the download completes. This usually happens if some JavaScript is hogging

Re: SM 2 instead of 1.x

2009-01-20 Thread Benoit Renard
INFO WG wrote: Sadly, another reason all efforts should have been long ago placed on SM 2. 1) You're assuming that effort on SeaMonkey 1.1.x releases takes away from efforts on SeaMonkey 2.0. 2) You really want SeaMonkey 1.1.x to not get security releases, leaving us without a stable, up-to

Re: Upgrading from Mozilla 1.7.13

2009-01-23 Thread Benoit Renard
firstname at lastname dot se wrote: Should I wait until SeaMonkey 2.0 is released? What's the ETA of 2.0? ETA is the second half of 2009. I wouldn't wait to upgrade. Any dos and don'ts that I should be aware of? Back-up your profile, just in case. Uninstall Mozilla 1.7.13, then install Sea

Re: How to prevent bookmark icons from disappearing?

2009-01-24 Thread Benoit Renard
browser.chrome.favicons No. This should remain false. It enables bad behaviour, namely sniffing every site for favicon.ico. The proper procedure is to load the icon specified in the HTML document. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey

Re: Does this mean we're about to have SM 1.1.15?

2009-02-08 Thread Benoit Renard
Jim S wrote: Why are you/they faffing about with 1.1.anything when 2.0a2 actually works better? I don't know about you, but I don't like my suite to eat my e-mail. Basically, it's not stable. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@list

Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

2009-02-14 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: I doubt that it will be fixed, as the devs are concentrating their efforts on SM2, and couldn't careless about the 1.1 series. So, the only option I can say is to reboot every now and then. How about making a post that helps? Especially the first sentence

Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

2009-02-15 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: So, trying to find a solution to the memory leak, you won't find it with SM 1.x There are always possible solutions that don't necessitate developer effort. Plug-ins can cause memory leaks. So can extensions. Suggesting to reboot is not a good solution ei

Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

2009-02-15 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: I see no reason for providing security updates to random applications running there when the operating system itself doesn't get fixes to its known security flaws any more. It does get security fixes. Just not officially. ___ supp

Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

2009-02-15 Thread Benoit Renard
It's also worth noting that there are barely any known security vulnerabilities in the first place. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

2009-02-16 Thread Benoit Renard
NoOp wrote: Performance will be very reasonable; Not with Ubuntu and Gnome. Ran very slow on my 350 Mhz machine. That's not too different from a 500 Mhz one. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozill

Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

2009-02-17 Thread Benoit Renard
NoOp wrote: :-) didn't say that the 350Mhz runs fast... just said I have Ubuntu running on one. Xubuntu works better for that machine. I tried Xubuntu on the same machine. It was still a little slow. However, a 500Mhz with 768MB is quite reasonable; yes a little slow (my main system was only

Re: SM 1.1.14 and memory usage/management

2009-02-17 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: "bug free"? Win98? really? Well, if you count knowing the workarounds to most bugs as that, perhaps. Don't let yourself fool by popular knowledge. A Win98SE system that's setup well is reasonably bug free. "reasonably well performing"? Have you tried openSUSE, ubuntu or

Re: Recent comments on rendering speed

2009-02-28 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: Then again, whats a few seconds. So what if SM is a few seconds slower than safari. Those seconds add up quickly. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/l

Re: Hotmail problems with Seamonkey

2009-03-05 Thread Benoit Renard
John wrote: Does anyone know how to fix this, other than not using Hotmail? Thanks! Spoofing your web browser as Firefox 2.0.0.19 or appending Firefox/2.0.0.19 to your user agent string should make it work. Bad web browser sniffing is at work. ___

Re: New NT3.51 install does not run

2009-03-11 Thread Benoit Renard
tommy.wy...@orkney.com wrote: I've just installed Seamonkey 1.1.14 on my Windows NT3.51 PC. Unfortunately when I double click to start the program, nothing happens... the mouse arrow briefly becomes an hour-glass for a fraction of a second, then... nothing. Have you installed the DCOM update? I

Re: New NT3.51 install does not run

2009-03-11 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: I don't know about win NT, but is there a windows start button? Windows NT 3.51 has a GUI very similar to that of Windows 3.1. But API-wise it's very similar to Windows 95. The Windows 95 GUI was introduced with Windows NT 4.0. __

Re: New NT3.51 install does not run

2009-03-12 Thread Benoit Renard
Peter Potamus the Purple Hippo wrote: as I said, I don't know win NT, so I was only guessing. Which is why I'm informing you. As a matter of fact, I can't even remember how win95 works, but I do know it was there in win98. Windows 95 is like Windows 98, without Quick Launch and oversized to

Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x

2009-03-14 Thread Benoit Renard
Robert Kaiser wrote: I don't see why a computer with an old, outdated, and insecure operating system needs security updates for its browser for much longer. Yeah, yeah, enough with the personal vendetta already. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list supp

Re: seamonkey 1.1.x and 2.x

2009-03-14 Thread Benoit Renard
Leonidas Jones wrote: None the less, I am in complete agreement with Robert, it is simply not realistic for the SeaMonkey Project to continue to support Win 98/ME. Hey, you forgot Windows 95! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.

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